Did Ali get Parkinson’s from Boxing?

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  1. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Just my opinion. I think he got Parkinson's genetically and boxing also damage ed his frontal lobe to accelerate it. Brought it in sooner.
     
  2. mr. magoo

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    that’s a reasonable theory. It’s virtually impossible to determine the exact cause of such a complicated disease.
     
  3. NoNeck

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    Parkinson’s involves the cerebellum, not the frontal lobe.
     
  4. NoNeck

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    CTE generally describes frontal cortex damage. Traumatic Parkinson’s affects the cerebellum.
     
  5. christpuncher

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    Probably at least brought it forward by some years as some have said. My grandad used to box in the navy and has Parkinson's, he's 79 now and he was only diagnosed about 4-5 years ago. He speaks absolutely fine, just his hands shake loads a lot of the time when he's sitting still. He told me he had an offer to turn professional but turned it down because he couldn't remember things after some fights. I guess a short term memory loss from taking head punches. Would his Parkinson's have started sooner if he had kept boxing at that time? Probably?
     
  6. ETM

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    Blows to the head from boxing cause damage to the frontal lobe. The classic punch drunk fighter. Slurred speech, trouble with coordination.
     
  7. NoNeck

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    Your point is what? Ali and Freddie Roach got traumatic Parkinson’s from being hit in the back of the head. That does not cause spurred speech.
     
  8. Mario040481

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    Am I wrong in saying that there is a theory, or that many in the medical fields who would be looking into CTE and long term brain injuries that are accrued from being in a combat sport, that there is likely to be a continuing increase of cases, especially in weight classes below, I'll arbitrarily pick cruiser, due to the practice of weight cutting and the rule change at the end of the 70's changing the weigh in day from the day of the fight to the day previous? This causing fighters to supposedly be more dehydrated on account of chasing a weight that they can only achieve by going without/taking in even less fluid then the fighters in the past who would weigh in the same day of the bout. When I first started getting into boxing I thought it was weird that, at least seemingly to me at the time, the majority of the most severe cases of "punch drunk" fighters were not in the HW division where the biggest punchers are, and therefore where the biggest punches are being taken (as i thought anyway) but they are coming from the lower weight classes.
     
  9. NoNeck

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    Day before weigh ins were out in place to help prevent fighters from entering the ring while dehydrated. Fatalities are more common in lower divisions because they don’t knock each other out cleanly. Thus, they’re exposed to repeated trauma and dehydration secondary to the length and pace of the fights. CTE might be more common in lower weight fighters, but plenty of big guys have ended up that way too.
     
  10. UFC2020

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    Ali's case is very tragic, financial troubles, alimony payments kept forcing him to get back in the ring.

    Whoever signed off on his medical report for the Larry Holmes fight should be punished with gross negligence
     
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  11. Mario040481

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    Yes, that was the claim, but like most things in life, something intended to benefit, or supposedly intended to benefit, will always bring out those looking to find new ways to con the new system. Also, just like most things in life intended to benefit someone or some group, the loss of money, and the future possibility of losing even more big money, may have been the biggest catalyst for the change.

    While it will sound to be illogical given that technically/on paper that fighters are losing a full day to make weight, a part of the rule change was so that fighters would have more time to make weight. How so? Here is how so: the fight that caused this was one that did not take place after Eddie Mustafa Muhammad weighed 2lbs+ on the day of his scheduled title fight against Michael Spinks. Basically, Muhammad claimed shenanigans with the scale, went back to his hotel rm and supposedly went to sleep. An attempt to downgrade the fight to a 10 rd non-title affair, was accepted. Until it wasn't. Day of the weigh in and the fight was cancelled. The fight I believe was to be aired live on HBO, until it wasn't. Imagine ALLLLLL those people involved in the production of the fight, I mean countless countless people had to be affected by this. Businesses, boxing folk, travelers (not Gypsies) and the like. That guy, how he was not murdered over that at some later date, by any number of folks....man. Lucky, lucky, lucky, cat that guy. Imagine the law enforcement tasked with finding the killer, had there been one, and they ask that first question they seem to always ask first on TV/movies/etc "Well, ma'am, I am sorry, I know this is a tremendously terrible and trying time for you and your family, but we really need your help here. can you think of anyone, ANYONE who may have had reason to be upset with your husband?" https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...anceled/cbcffe80-87ef-4fde-a728-fe844d3638f6/
     
  12. NoNeck

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    Off topic. Day before weigh ins have not been linked to increased CTE.