Who did Ike Ibeabuchi knockout?

I see the point you are making but Manilla was a lot more of two, old semi-shot fighters going at it with spent legs and reflexes. A ton of heart on display, but in lieu of athleticism.

And yes, those around Ike claimed the Tua fight either caused or exacerbated his condition. There were plenty of hard shots landed in that fight.

 

Show ONE example of me criticizing Marciano for fighting light heavyweights. Don't waste your time looking, you won't find it. You can find plenty of examples of me criticizing RM's footwork, and fundamentals. The eye test is the only test I use, I don't care about rankings, HOF, ATG, stories by hero worshiping writers, etc.

I'm still impressed with Wilder, he's shown excellent stamina, he carries his punch the entire fight, he closes/creates distance faster than anybody I've seen, he lost to probably the best H2H fighter in history, and he was still dangerous until the fight was stopped. I wouldn't bet against Wilder in the rematch. Wilder might beat any heavyweight in history. I don't understand how people like you think that because a fighter lost to a 6-9, 275 pound FMJ/Chris Byrd/Lomachenko type fighter he should be considered less of a fighter? The "eye test" that I use encompasses the fighter's fundamentals, skills, movement, etc., I don't just watch the knockout punch.

 

This is a very janitor-esque argument you're making.

Yeah—some guys who look impressive early in their careers fall apart when they step up in class. And there are plenty of guys who beat more ranked fighters in their respective eras then Ike did in his. It most certainly does not necessarily follow though that we should automatically favor those guys to beat him though, without considering their respective attributes and, yes, the eye test. These cross-era comparisons are always highly speculative in the best of conditions, so of course it requires a lot of inferences and imagination to predict how Ike would have fared against guys from other eras. It is what it is.

For the record though, how do you think Ibeabuchi v. Schmeling, Charles, and Schmeling go?

A few other responses:
-The fact that I think Ibeabuchi could beat a number of hall of famers obviously doesn't mean I think he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

-Yes, I absolutely think first-year Tim Duncan or Shaquille O'Neal would have dominated a ton of Hall of Fame centers and power forwards from the first decades of the NBA.

-Kownacki is an awful analogy. Nothing he's accomplished in boxing compares to the win in the Tua sluggest or the early stoppage of Byrd, nor did Kownacki ever reveal that he had the physical talent, fundamentals, and chin of Ibeabuchi. All undefeated prospects aren't equally promising or accomplished.

-The eye test based in part on how Ibeabuchi looked and what he showed in his performances against Tua and Byrd is not at all comparable to basing an eye test on how someone looks on a heavybag.

-By the way, what did Charles or even Frazier do to "prove" that they could beat a man with Ibeabuchi's attributes?

-Who claimed that Joshua was a top 5 h2h boxing god? Where? And I'd still pick Anthony Joshua over some of those early Hall of Famers in a heartbeat too.

 

Can you imagine how befuddled most pre-Ali heavyweights would be by a man of Fury's size and skill set? He might even end up "no mas"ing some guys or winning DQs because they'd get fed up and try to tackle him.

 

I read it. Who did ike knock out? I said Byrd who was a hard to catch southpaw with a top chin that went many rounds with punches.

How many fights have you seen IKE in?

He was a puncher for sure.

 

I don’t believe that. Boxers don’t just turn schizophrenic. Kushner and others were exploiting the situation instead of making a long term investment. Although schizophrenia is treatable, the medications are heavy and I’m not aware of any treated schizophrenics who compete at the top level athletically.

 

What Hall of Fane centers? Can you name a few of them?

 

Of course Ibeabuchi is a "what if." But if I had an opportunity to bet on him versus certain much smaller but greater fighters, I'd feel just fine shoving my money in on Ike.

Ok, Kownacki turned in an extremely disappointing performance but that still doesn't "prove" that he loses to a Tony Galento, which is the only h2h discussion I remember.

Cool. As someone who's been following boxing for around three decades, I'm well familiar with those and many other examples of guys who didn't live up to the hype of their wildest hypemen. And we'd have an even better sense of how great Ike was if he'd gone against more of teh top names in his decision for sure. But I've seen enough to feel comfortable picking him over some of the guys I mentioned above.

Why, because you say so? That's just a cop-out.

What iron-chinned giants did the men you named stop?

What big men with Ike's power, durability, stamina, and fundamentals did Ezzard Charles beat? I'll wait...

I didn't change the subject.

 

George Mikan
Ed Macauley
Stretch Murphy
Forrest DeBernardi
Bob Kurland
Ed Wachter
Ace Gruenig
Joe Lapchick

and that's just the low-hanging fruit.

 

Head trauma can certainly change impulse control, temper, mood swings, memory...

 

He was doing things like refusing to stay in certain hotel rooms due to demons living in the air conditioning. Onset of schizophrenia is usually early 20s, so I think he fits that mold; his mom is also nuts so there’s family history. Here’s the article I posted earlier: https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/unrealized-the-story-of-ike-ibeabuchi.588367

 

Bryd had a good chin. He went 12 with Wlad and got hit a lot. Every heavyweight boxer was 169 pounds at one point in their life. What matters is the professional weight vs the other heavyweights are the time of the fight.

Once again Byrd had a top chin. He fought many people who can bang. Look it up.

You are not making a good showing making a good showing in this thread. I’m confused about this hating on Ike. I will show you his ko clips later. It can change the open minded types. Ike was a legitimate puncher.