Lennox Lewis's achievements are overrated

Fighters with great discipline outside the ring are simply non existent. They will beat their wives, take substances, having problem with authorities, and so on. Mike Tyson was the exact same in the ring, in my opinion, for most of his career, he was either knocking out his opponents, or having a difficult fight. He did not lost his pop, speed, defensive movements. All his tactics attempt to get inside remained the same. I think people want to remember him as an unbeatable machine but fact is he never could in a division with 6'5 super heavyweights. Simply impossible. C'mon, the guy is just a 5'10. He had a great start then every trainers and fighters knew the blueprint to adjust.

 

He lost his speed big time and completely lost his stamina

 

Losing stamina is just due to him taking a beating. Speed remained the exact same. I watched the Douglas fight and Lewis first rounds side by side, speed is identical. Just bulkier as he aged, he carried more weight with him, which is not a bad thing when you fight heavyweight. But that's it.

 

LOL

So, in your opinion, Danny Williams is much better fighter than Muhammad Ali? Because if prime/not prime question is grossly overrated as you started earlier in this thread, than Danny Williams >>>> Mike Tyson since he KO'ed him in four? Mike Tyson >>>>>> Larry Holmes and Larry Holmes >>>>> Muhammad Ali. Yeah, prime/not prime doesn't matter. At all

 

Muhammad Ali was near his 40's when he fought Holmes. People say Tyson peaked at 23 years old and then became a shot can of tomato. Utterly untrue. Douglas beats any version of Tyson. Lewis and Holyfield same. And I say there is only one version of Tyson, until he becomes a veteran like all the others close to retirement.

 

So you are basically saying there is the difference between 2002 and 2004 versions of Tyson but there is no difference between 1988 and 2002?

 

Yup. The 2002 Tyson KO Spinks in first round (perhaps even faster because he is heavier) and does everything the same as the 1988 Tyson. Once you reach the veteran age of 35+ things get rapidly different unless you are an alien like Hopkins or accept to suffer twice as much at the gym. I have watch many Tyson figth side by side from 1988 to 2002 and he is exactly the same during all these years.

 

That's one of the weirdest things I've EVER read on boxing forums. Wow, just WOW

BTW, Tyson WAS 35+ y.o. veteran in 2002

 

Freshly veteran and so was Lewis. I said it starts to rapidly get more difficult past 35+. Hence why Ali lost to Holmes. Most great fighters start having their most difficult time in the ring past 35+. Not an exact science. In the case of Tyson, he fought his last great performance against Lewis. He lost because of the reason repeated 1000 times already. 5'10 against 6'5. Blueprint was carefully understood by Lewis, his timed uppercut inside was nothing improvised. Everything was set all he had to do is follow the game plan and he did. Boom.

Lewis has beaten the same Tyson as Douglas did. Period.

 

If being battered from pillar to post is a "great performance", then I have no more questions for you

 

I knew you would answer that. Of course you can be the greatest version of yourself and still lose. Tyson performance had nothing to do with the fact Lewis is a giant ATG.

 

But if that was the case then Levi Billups' (21-22-1, 12 KOs) performance against Lewis should be considered among the greatest of all time (P4P) since he: a) went the distance against younger version of Lewis; b) wasn't battered anywhere near as badly as Tyson was

 

Everyone know Lewis matured like wine and that styles make fight. The point of confusion here is whether Tyson remained constant or was he shot. I see him as a very constant fighter who did the same most of his career. His problems in the ring comes when facing a black beast or an ATG. Some want to discredit Lewis win by saying Tyson was not the same anymore. That's the whole point here.

 

Tyson paid him money to step aside in the mid 90s and Bowe ducked him. They were obviously scared of him. He avenged both of his defeats in such dominant fashion that there was no clamour for rematches.

 

Way off - if you can’t see the difference of 87-91 Tyson (really 88 after he unified he had no more mountains to climb) compared to 96 Tyson and then 02 Tyson its Evident how bad he slipped. Big fighters would always pose a problem for him - Tucker and Bonecrusher both lasted the distance but he had an engine to make them go into a shell. Everything was gone by time he fought Lewis, the stamina, the head movement, he was basically a 2 round fighter looking for a haymaker