Dubois Vs Joyce / Whyte Vs Povetkin unlikely to go ahead

It could. Thanks for replying without questioning my intelligence unlike Tony.

 

All the airlines will go bankrupt as will other parts of the economy. That's unavoidable, because it's at least 2 years before global travel will restart to anything like the levels we've seen previously, if indeed it ever does. With respect to those directly affected, they are the least of our worries right now.

Do you think anyone would've paid any attention? Anyone would've changed any aspect of their behaviour? As it is you've got morons proudly proclaiming how they're actively trying to catch it and perhaps unwittingly spreading it on their ****ing YouTube channel, 4 or 5 weeks before this country is engulfed in the worst public health crisis for over a century.

This isn't a really bad case of the flu. If we're really lucky it's only 6 times more lethal, but that's only half the story. It's a new virus, the flu has different strains each year but our bodies have been fighting it for hundreds of thousands of years. This is completely new and none of us have any inherited immunity. Each one of our immune systems will be fighting the battle for the first time with no weapons prepared.

I saw above that you felt patronised by some of the comments. It's not my intention as I respect you, but I have to say I still don't think you realise where we are and where we're heading. We are at the top of the rollercoaster and we can hear the screams of those at the front of the carriage. There's a big drop. The tracks at the bottom of the rollercoaster are still being laid. If they finish them in time we don't derail.

We can rebuild the economy. The world will be doing just that over the next 5 years and there'll be opportunities as well as sad stories. What we have to do however is do absolutely anything to help the thin green line of healthworkers who are all that stand between us and ruin.

 

The respect goes both ways

 

I'm sorry but your intelligence will be questioned when you make daft comments like those before. Seriously - nobody would have noticed if we'd left everything open? Come on mate. You and I know that when your fit and healthy 70 year old relative is dying on a gurney in a Premier Inn because the hospitals are literally full of people with the same flu-like illness in the middle of Spring that people would ask questions.

I like you; you seem like a nice guy with the best intentions, but as with anything like this, you probably need to ask why your opinion (as a stand up comic) is seemingly at odds to countless individuals who have devoted their lives to understanding viral infections. Sometimes you have to trust the experts.

 

I was due to fly to the Dominican Republic tomorrow,this pandemic has hardly got started yet.

 

Maybe I’m underestimating this, I certainly don’t claim to know more than the experts. Maybe some of my comments have been naive. I’m just really worried about the future, economically, socially and politically.

 

Holler basically answered this point in his last response Unforgiven.

No option economy wise is good but if it spreads like wildfire, as he says, how do you think the economy would cope with likely 15% of its entire workforce taken out of the picture.

Then potentially 100s of thousands of deaths (possibly more), the economic impact of that also.

Without a doubt this is the best measure we have, yes it's going to hurt but the other option is a LOT worse, both to the value of life and the economy.

It's helping now the fact the majority of the world is implementing the same measures, that's the only way to do this.

Because when Italy recovers mostly, there not going to let people in from other countries who have cases and the same is for other countries. So pretty much every country has to take the same measures.

It'll be months until this is 'fixed' but things will start to improve over a months time (cases wise)

 

Twentyman, Coronavirus is far more infectious though and even with unaccounted numbers, even if you take the known cases (near 200k now) and x that by 10 for unknown cases or people who dont know they have it.

That's 2 million people and already 6000 deaths. That's far more than the flu.

Now say the UK has 70 million people.

That's potentially 210,000 deaths just on the above scenario just for the UK. Do you really think people will find that acceptable? Would you be ok if a member of two of your family died because the government lied to you and said it's just bad flu.

Now that figure would account for a 3rd of global flu deaths. That's just for the UK.

The government is damned if they do and damned if they don't. All they can do is make the best of a really bad scenario. The same applies to other countries.

We just have to suck it up and work together in the meantime to end this. For me it sounds easy as I try to think in a logical manner, I know for a lot of people emotions will be running high and this is going to impact them massively. Its them I feel sorry for and really people are going to have to help each other out both through this and after it.

Lastly, there is no need to panic buy. Supply chains will and are still running fine for food. There is literally no need to hoard stuff.

 

No, you’re all right. I’ve just been thinking too emotionally about it rather than logically. It’s all unprecedented, there’s nothing to compare it to. Just nuts, all of it.

 

All I'll say is, don't panic. It's not the end of the world lol, it's not even anywhere near that scenario.

Misses just sent me some pictures from a Facebook group of Morrisons. Now on first glance it looks horrific, empty shelves etc.

I went in yesterday and on close inspection of the photos, it's only the same empty shelves I saw empty. Toilet rolls gone (yet an abundance of tissues next to the empty gap still). Soups and baked beans hammered, still some there and picture is only a 3 metre wide part of the shelves (can see soups next to empty gap stiòl).

Basically it looks like theres no food at all but it isn't the case, it's just the same areas people are hammering but the photos make it look 10x worse then it actually is.

So for a lot of people they will see that, panic and go buy even more when it's not needed at all because nearly all the other isles are absolutely fine. Because the photos are all of mainly empty shelves and of specific areas, it looks like theres hardly any food.

Down South though it does look more horrific (I'm in East Yorkshire)

 

No, it won't stop them getting the virus.
But most people will be okay getting the virus anyway, whether rich or not. I mean, most people will get sick and it won't be nice, but they won't die and they won't need hospital treatment. They will stay in for a couple of weeks and rest and get better.

But most people can't afford to live in a collapsing economy where everything is shut down. That's what will get them.

 

I think people greatly underestimate the effects of recessions and depressions, certainly if on a global scale.
You people think coronavirus is bad but wait and see the effects of people's health when real poverty becomes the norm all over the globe.
When there's mass unemployment because whole industries and sectors have fallen down, and economies falling like dominos across the world, that's when you'll see real catastrophic numbers of sick people, life expectancy will fall, malnutrition will kill the children.

 

Malnutrition has been killing children in parts of the world all my lifetime and will continue to do so.

 

Unforgiven, I don't think your grasping that the death rate is as low as it is (currently around 3% but probably lower), due to the fact that people have ACCESS to medical care.

If you just tell everyone to get on with business as usual, you get people even with mild symptoms being off work, you then completely overwhelm the healthcare and then that death rate rises massively.

The reason people between 20-60s who are hospitalised survive this, is not because they naturally recover. It's because they have access to ventilators and it gives there body time to recover with that assistance.

As soon as you overwhelm the healthcare, those people who would normally have access to that care and would almost likely survive with it, would die.

Even those who just required hospitalisation without the need for ICU care, would almost likely die.

Remember Holler's post of roughly 15% of people require hospitalisation. Surely you get the picture of what were saying.

 

Exactly.
That's my point.
A global economic crash is only going to make it worse.
And for what ? To save some old people ?