Dubois Vs Joyce / Whyte Vs Povetkin unlikely to go ahead

I do grasp all that.
But I also grasp the fact that everything (including our health care) rests on the strength of the global economy.
If we take extreme measure and enter a great economic depression, the rates of death from ALL diseases increases rapidly and can last for generations. Never mind the political results that can often lead to catastrophic wars.
That's what we're dealing with.

 

Sale of my house fell through this morning. The buyers have been told their income is under threat due to Coronavirus and consequent redundancy. Snowball effect is now a finding a new buyer during social distancing but also a big drop in house prices due to an inevitable economic crisis. B@llocks...

 

You keep on saying that this only kills old people, despite having been provided with information that this isn't the case.

You talk about saving the economy by inaction without ever addressing the economic costs that inaction would bring, in addition to the agonising deaths of an additional 250,000 of your fellow citizens in the UK alone. The car crash victims that die without ever seeing a doctor. The medical staff that die through exhaustion or are simply mentally broken by the horrors they are forced to endure. The cancer patients who can't get the chemo or operations they need. The levels of absenteeism and decline in productivity as people realise that falling off a ladder is now much more likely to be a death sentence.

You're either too stupid to understand or you simply don't care to. You may be the best argument against one man one vote I've ever encountered. Either way I won't see any more of your witless posts thanks to the ignore function.

To anyone else reading this, please see the links I've posted elsewhere and be careful about exposure to online idiocy of the sort peddled by cretins like the person above. Educate yourself, be mentally and physically prepared as best you can and try to support each other wherever safe to do so.

We are at war guys and our frontline troops are facing an assault that threatens to overwhelm them. Anyone preaching complacency needs to be shut down. Anyone ignoring hygeine rules or boasting that they don't give a **** about this put straight.

 

That’s crap mate, sorry to hear that. I’ve no idea if I’m gigging this weekend cos Boris didn’t commit to shutting venues down. Crazy times.

 

This post just goes to show how irrational and aggressively fanatical good people can become here in these times.

I've posted on this forum for a long time and always considered Holler to be a decent intelligent poster and a very civil one, as well as a fine poet. I have no reason to assume he's not a good man. I count him among the good ones here, for sure.
I like to think I'm a decent civil person here too, and I show respect to those who show respect and I don't troll. I believe Holler has liked some of my posts in the past and I've enjoyed and liked many of his.

But now, surprisingly, it seems Holler's taken a turn, calling me out :
to me,"You may be the best argument against one man one vote I've ever encountered. "
"I won't see any more of your witless posts thanks to the ignore function."
to others "be careful about exposure to online idiocy of the sort peddled by cretins like the person above."

And why ? Because I dare to express the opinion that the shutting down of industries may have a massive impact on the world economy that will snowball into a global depression that will kill more people than the virus could kill.
That's all.

 

It’s an emotive subject clearly, and we normally only stick to boxing talk. There’s always going to be a difference of opinion, and we have to remember that all our intentions are well meant even if we do disagree. You and Holler are excellent posters, hope when the dust settles we can get back to some good boxing debate.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/51924564

British boxing cancel all tournaments


Just in...

"With regard to the statement made by the Prime Minister Boris Johnson, all public tournaments under the jurisdiction of the British Boxing Board of Control are unfortunately cancelled. Further consideration of the matter will take place at the beginning of April.

"We have a number of requests for tournaments to be held behind closed doors however, the practicality and logistics will be considered fully following advice from Board Medical Officers."

 

You’re a nobody on the internet to all intents who is arguing against the near entirety of not only medical science but economic reality. You’ve had your pants pulled down with the idea that only the old will die and still you keep your head in the sand. You’re allowed opinions about millions of things but reality isn’t one of them. Sometimes, you need to accept you’re not an expert and this is one of those times. Parroting conspiracy theorists and ranting about carnage in the streets and violent uprising is deeply stupid and irresponsible.

 

Difference of opinion is fine when it comes to most things. But difference of opinion when it comes to things like this can be genuinely dangerous. If you have a difference of opinion about, say, vaccinating your children, that can lead to very real problems for them and other people who’ve not bought into your conspiracy.

Unforgiven is arguing against individuals who have devoted their professional and academic lives to understanding this subject. What are his qualifications to do so?

 

1. We are all nobodies on the internet.
2 .I haven't had my pants pulled down at all.
3. I haven't claimed to be an expert and fully accept I am not an expert.
4. I haven't parroted conspiracy theories at all.
5. I haven't ranted about carnage on the streets and violent uprising. I merely pointed out that the POOR people at the bottom cannot last long with a shut down economy without their being an increase in crime, and some violent unrest.

So, basically, you're making stuff up.

Far from being an expert, I accept I only have an opinion and I am fallible. It's not myself here who is claiming to know everything that is going on. It's not me here telling everyone what is correct or incorrect to believe.
And it's not me here who is trying to silence, shame and stigmatize certain opinions and destroy all debate.
I'm being civil and decent in the face of some very over-senstive and over-emotional responses.

Also, I base much of what I express about what could happen on historical realities, on what has happened in the past. As well as what I see happening now.
yeah, I might be wrong.
So might you and everyone else here.

Thanks for your input anyway.

 

He’s rightfully concerned about the impact on everyday lives when all this is finally over. I read on bbc website that the stock market is now worse than it was in 2008. This is were Unforgiven is coming from. I don’t think expressing his opinion on here is damaging, and it is balanced out by other posters like yourself. What I’m trying to say is, go easy bud.

 

You're making stuff up.
Who am I arguing with ? What have i said that's so argumentative even ?

My argument, simply put could be summed as :
1. Shutting many things down can lead to whole sectors of the economy closing, recession and economic collapse and a myriad of social and health problems on local scale
2. Economic collapse on local scales can quickly snowball into a global depression
3. Global Depression will lead to poverty and political instability
4. Poverty and political instability leads to hundreds of millions of deaths through starvation, disease and war.

And no one here has explained why wrong to on this subject or what's fallacious about the argument. Simply attacked me personally for daring to mention it.
A cursory look at history suggests I'm not wrong at all.

 

And what have I said akin to not vaccinating children ?
Which 'conspiracy' theory to you think I'm proposing here ?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
You going on like I'm denying the holocaust or saying AIDS isn't real or some nasty crackpot crap like that.

When in fact the only thing I'm saying is that there's a real danger that politicians (who are motivated by political career concerns) might over-impose restrictions, devastate the economy, and the logic of pushing that risk doesn't add up.
Because, for the umpteenth time, a devastated world economy will result in a lot of deaths that may outweigh the possible virus deaths by several multiples.
This isn't conspiracy, this is real possibility based on how unstable economies and human societies are already.

 

Unforgiven, forgive me if I'm wrong, but clearly not everyone is a nobody on the internet. A lot of people have expressed their opinions in public and indeed on the internet who have immense understanding of this subject owing to their sky high levels of expertise about the matter. And pretty much all of them seem to think your 'let's keep everything open' approach is, bluntly, a stupid idea.

You're not arguing with me here. You're arguing with them. So please give some indication as to why you are correct and they are wrong or accept you know nothing and it's plain ignorant guesswork.

Most people here actually seem calm. You're the one talking about how shutting shops and pubs will be 'the death knell to everyone.' You're the one saying that the current shutdown plans will 'kill millions and destroy society.' You're the one saying we are 'a couple of weeks away from bloody crime and bloody revolt.' If you want me to say you're not ranting, try not to sound like someone who's ranting.

 

To which I'm simply asking why should anyone think he is correct when every single health agency in the world seems to be saying his suggestions would be utterly devastating and clearly, significantly worse than what we are doing now.

Unforgiven is the guy down the pub who tells you your gearbox is faulty when you've taken your car to a hundred garages and they all say it's the clutch. His qualifications? None. So why believe him?