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He’s right about the future in terms of the economic effect on everyday lives.

 

Just like to say I understand the point Unforgiven is making.

Can we stop the mud-slinging now though and just revert back to the discussion as it was.

 

In what sense? That the economic downturn will have an impact on society? Or that we are weeks from bloody revolt, bloody crime, the end of society....

Because one sounds completely obvious and something everyone knows and one sounds like ranting and scaremongering?

 

How’s things Potwash?

 

Anybody who has a couple hundred grand or so in the bank should start watching carefully....

In the unlikely event of things going really bad in the coming months and the Government starts running out of cash from all these bailouts/propping up the NHS then they will be raiding bank accounts like the Greeks when they went bust.

luckily/unfortunately for me, pretty much all my money is tied up in my property.

 

Luckily for me i don't trust banks anyway, my money is stuffed in a mattress old school like my granddaddy.

 

Things are great thanks mate. Kids are all really worried about this 'Rona virus but apart from that I'm good, working hard but the sun is shining so can't complain. It's been a nightmare working outside with all this wet weather so nice it's finally dry.

How are you?

 

I have academic qualifications in some of the subjects I am discussing here but I don't claim to be the authority on what we are discussing because we are actually touching on a multitude of different things. And I am happy to be a "nobody on the internet", I don't pretend to be otherwise. I treat everyone here as nobodies on the internet and expect nothing else in return. But you brought that up, not me. In an effort to silence and discredit my opinion. Okay.

I don't think ANYONE is an expert in predicting what exactly will be happening to the economy, nevermind the world economy. Such an authority doesn't exist, and that is a constant problem for humanity. I don't think governments and the experts that employ on the matter of economics have made much progress in saving us from the problems that extend way back in history, at least in the capitalist epoch, and continue to repeat themselves. Recessions, depressions, poverty, political instability, wars. It all continues.

I haven't claimed to be correct and them wrong. No one is right or wrong in predicting the future events until the future has passed into the past. All I've said is that the continuing shutting down of the economy, and compounded with the global economic instability, is actually quite likely to cause catastrophic harm in the long run.

I'm talking about the people at the bottom, if the economy is shut down further and for an extended time. Perhaps you are so out of touch with the common people and the poor that you can't get your head around what I'm saying. I don't know. You can use your imagination and consider historical examples. We've seen rioting in the past over FAR less hardships that what could be occuring here soon. We've seen crime waves off very small increases in unemployment, we've seen youth rioting when unemployment rises slightly over very small grievances.

And on a global scale, YES, millions are already dying from poverty and illness due to failed economies. So imagine if the world economy takes a huge hit.

These are not rants. These are cold realities, based on history and the way the 'global society' operates on its unstable economic basis.

I'm calm but I sense a lot of fear among people here. It seems people are afraid of the truth.

 

You're making stuff up.
What exactly are my "suggestions" that you say would be utterly devastating ?

 

Ignore him. He is clearly just trying to wind you up in his bending the facts way. He's a very sad man.

 

Thanks for this post.
I don't expect everyone to agree with what I'm saying and I admit I could be wrong and less well-informed than others but I've been very surprised by some of the reactions from some of those who disagree with me.
Well, Holler especially. Completely out of character for him to react the way he did.
TonyHayers, nah, not so much.

I just hope this isn't a sign of worse to come, where reasonable people out of fear for what is happening, are quick to turn on one another and scapegoat.
I agree, let's stop with the mud-slinging. There's really no need for it.

 

My actual words :
"the bottom 10% are only a couple of weeks away from bloody crime and bloody revolt." ...... which I think is actually not much different from what is broadly true at any given time.
The poorest 10% don't have more than two or three weeks food in their cupboards, they don't have more than two or three weeks rent money in their banks, they don't have the cushion, the safety net. Some of the bottom 10% are already criminals, and more will fall into that as times get harder. And if mass unemployment occurs and the colleges and schools close down putting students and apprentices in limbo, the welfare benefits will become very slow to be processed. Even when they get their money, with the panic buying and hoarding, who's to say there's much available left in the shops for them to provide for themselves.

These are just basic societal realities, I'm not sure what your problem is.
What I'm saying is far from scaremongering. I mean, come on, have a sense of perspective. People are saying the virus will kill 1 million, and I'm saying the poorest 10% are a desperate bunch if the economy is shut down or crashes ... and you're calling me a scaremonger and a ranter for that ?

 

To repeat myself, you're the one talking about 'the death knell to everyone,' who says this will 'kill millions and destroy society.' You're the one saying we are 'a couple of weeks away from bloody crime and bloody revolt.' Your ideas are not being put into practice. If you're right, this is the end.

Then you say you're calm and that you sense people being scared of the truth. The truth is that this will not destroy society. We'll see as the weeks go by, but I bet you're wrong.

 

You twist and conflate my statements.
I haven't suggested millions will die in the UK within a few weeks or anything like that. I haven't said "this is the end".
I've said millions (hundreds of millions actually) die in this world from the effects of weakness in the global economy, poverty. With a global collapse it will be greatly increased. I think that the effects of economic collpase happen over months and years, actually.
Bloody crime is already part of society's ills (as everyone who reads the papers would know), so to say the bottom 10% are a couple of weeks away from bloody crime and bloody revolt isn't far-fetched or alarmist at all. It's a social reality. Violent unrest, protests and riots are not uncommon to this country when times get hard.

If you want to deny all of this, carry on.
But I know your agenda isn't to deny for the sake of denial. You've got your own weird agenda, that hasn't gone unnoticed.

You have a tendency to misrepresent, distort and with sleight of hand misquote or quote out of context.
I've already addressed much of this in other posts and clarified.
You're clearly trolling and on the wind-up again, as usual.
I would have thought with a serious subject like this you might actually be capable of genuine debate for a change, but apparently not.

 

Apologies for the ad hominem attacks which I regret.

I'm leaving this thread at this point.

Best wishes all.