Frazier(1971) vs Holmes(1979)

Frazier for me. Unless you have a big punch to keep him off you, i don't think you can beat him. A boxing type of fighter can stick and move for some rounds, but not for the whole 15. I think Frazier will break Holmes down and might even score a late TKO. The early Frazier that annihilated Foster and beat a great version of Ali was absolutely awesome.

 

It's a toss up, for me. I could definitely see this one going to the scorecards. :good

 

Holmes on points .....ud ..

 

Frazier, bloodied around the eyes and battered, takes Holmes to a place reserved only for him and Ali.

 

Frazier gives Holmes a whuppin, but Larry goes the distance and lumps Joe up as well.

 

Frazier via decision

 

Frazier by decision, Holmes' skill and heart will keep him from being stopped.

 

Fazier by late stop 10-11 rounds

 

Holmes UD15 Frazier.

Larry demonstrated his right uppercut against Weaver and Rodriguez. (The referee incorrectly ruled Larry's knockdown of Rodriguez as a slip, but it was clearly from a right uppercut as Lucien bore in.) That uppercut would be a useful weapon against Smoke.

The left hook can be a very difficult punch to defend against, but Holmes was adept at neutralizing it. If there's a stoppage, it will come because Larry's jab has caused Joe's face to swell up, hindering Frazier's vision. Holmes was smarter than Ali, and wouldn't have attempted any rope-a-dope type foolishness with an opponent that tactic was useless against. Joe would have made it an entertaining battle though, a contest fun to watch.

 

I would expect Frazier to win and I beleive that it would be more one sided than the fight of the century.

 

Pickem fight Holmes was vulnerable to rights over a low left,not Fraziers money punch,he used it allmost as sparingly as as Henry Cooper,Joes pressure might wear Larry down ,but Holmes was a strong sob,with remarkable recuperative powers.Ali said Frazier was impossible to discourage,but easy to hit,I think Holmes had a little more pop on his punches ,so he might win by tko 50 50 scrap.

 

I like Holmes by decision. I also think he might visit the canvas. Holmes jab will be most important here, and his underrated right uppercut will cause Joe some probs. Great fight and matchup. I can see why people pick Joe too, a pick'em fight IMO.

 

Black Clouds Rain Might Douse Joe's Smoking....

Its one of those pairings which could go either way, and the balance may ultimatelty be tipped one way or other by as little as a dozen full blooded shots?? In the early rounds when fresh will larry find time to compose and execute, and catch Joe coming in with some heavy Flush Right Crosses which might hymatoma Joe up and allow Larry to Build a landing pad for his heavy Jab, and those Cruder but effective Clubbing Rights Larry Employs when he feels the time is right to terminate proceedings ??

Or does This Prime Joe Suffocate Larry with his Extreme Pressure, Bobing Weaving and Jinking past Larrys Hurried Jabs, to Rip To body and Head in those Drilled Number sequences as Barked out by Yancey Durham 6-6-2 Body-Body-Head 6-2-2 Body-Head-Head….??
Both men are will warriors who will exceed their normal physical tolerance levels, the will to impose upon, and the will not to be imposed upon, which barring cuts, will probably ensure both paties will have to battle through the exhaustion barriers that this deadlocked mentality will indeed impose on each other's bodies, but as to these tariffs, they instinctively would agree with themselves to recognise the pain the hurt the trauma later…perhaps the next day,,in a dark room with dark glasses….but during their match their desire will fuel their bodies beyond natural resourse…

Larry would be Approx 211 -213lb with Joe Approx 207-209lb so no real advantage to Larry in that regard, and neither seems to me to be capable of taking out the other Early, unlike shavers or weaver Joe does not Plod Forward so Larry will not enjoy time to fully Compose and Execute and will have to move to Create his own Punching Room, and Larry whilst a highly capable mover, usually does it sprarodicly to break up the monotony, shake up some rthyme, and generally when he wishes to move, he much prefers to settle into a slide to side and counter regime, with lots of standing off and always at a distence to suit himself, But Joe will not play ball with this, he will be seeking to hussle, bussle and Tussle Larry off Kilter and launching from a moving platform is always harder then from anchoured foundations, where Ali moves through seer exhuberance and perhaps a desire to Look Pretty at all times, Larry is not adverce to winning ugly, so unlike a/the rusty Ali, Larry will seek to gain Maximum Advantage for his output even if it does not look pretty,

Neither can really afford to coast, if Joe stands off to any great degree he allows Larry Full Extension on his punches Joe must deny him that, but Larry will probably be forced, perhaps from the 5th to Negate Joe with clinches and perhaps some leaning on, perhaps whilst looking/hopeing for a Weaver Type uppercut, as a strategy whether imposed or not, it may indeed pay a benefit early in denying Joe the opportunity to create too early a damaging impression, however if you do not disrupt Joe drastically his Rhytmatic Pattern will be Set and Joe once Smoking will be Awfully Hard to dislodge or derail, the heart certainly leans towards this March 8th 71 Ripping, Snorting, Pressure-Hooker to introduce Holmes to a Dance the type of which he has Never encountered before…But the Head…The Head tells me that Joe does not achieve the Ref's Gentlemans Excuse me !

Larry Has the Skill The Will the Adroitness, and Minimalist Approach to squardering energy, combined with his particular Bogey Punch Seeming to be the Right Cross, in Nature, a No-Go for Joe, that I can see an Early Rounds Larry Making those Few Impressive Early Connection which will sow the facial Hematoma and contusion seeds in Joe, which will germinate in the last Quarter, in between Joe will be on the Point of Disembolwing Larry with his inside work, and with Larry being repeatedly rattled when joe suddenly switches a hook to the head, but a wary Larry, unlike Ali, never Showboating, denies Joe the full force flush connection he is constantly searching for, as they enter the final 3 rounds they are pretty much level, and on the point of Exhaustion, Joe Snorting Still, but more to clear Blood hampering his Breathing, Hematomas and contusions seeming to cast shadows on his own face from the overhead ring lights, and Larry His blooded Mouth Agape, sweat pourind down his face, the whites of his eyes Visible every time Joe Now Bundles him to the ropes, they grunt in unison, Joe in the manical effort of giving, and Larry taking no pleasure in receiving, Its goes Primeval. Manila comes to Vagas,....

But this time its not slow tired heavy veterans, - But Lean Mean Prime Fistic Machines - at least that’s how they started out, Come the 12th (?) we come to something of a Junction, one route leads to victory and one to defeat, and with both level on the cards, and with both now operating in that twilight world of numbed senses, and looking like extras from the Sam Remi stable, the outcame can now be decided by as little as five good punche either way,....

I can see Larry Catching a slower to close Joe with heavy Rights coming in, and A tremor in Joes Knees betraying him, which is a cue for Larry to extend his Left as a measuring Stick and Start Clubbing with the Right, Crude but Effective, Joe Sags Against the Ropes, Swaying like a Sick Sycamore in a Hurricane, the Ref Jumps in to wave it off just as Durhams white towel flutters in, Larry is lead off to his Corner Stool but is very grateful that l it is brought half way to him……Joe Spits blood and tells Durham "i wantt him Again"..…Wills and Skills were level ….But Larrys "No Waste" policy paid dividends,,,and those Half Dozen or so balance tipping Punches…… .

( Ask me Tomorrow and i might lean Joe's way its probably that close...)

 

Holmes on points after getting of the floor in the earlier rounds