Dubois Vs Joyce / Whyte Vs Povetkin unlikely to go ahead

I'm happy for those of you who have reported that you had a good day shopping in the supermarket.
I'm glad what is happening in my area isn't what is happening everywhere.

 

I don't get your point. You seem to think that if we follow the route which we are taking that it will be a bloodbath. I don't need to quote you again but your predicting millions to die and society to collapse. But you also seem to be wanting to say you're completely calm.

You can't have it both ways. If I thought, which I don't, that closing shops and bars for a few months would destroy society and leave untold millions dead, then I'd be terribly worried. But I don't think that's going to happen, so I'm not.

 

You say 'it's just begun' like it's the start of a horror movie. The shops are just implementing the basic rules needed to ensure that the advice, (namely don't hoard, be sensible and there's more than enough to go round) is followed. As is always the case, tell people not to panic and buy too much of something, and some people will do the opposite because they're stupid.

 

Well, put it this way, the capitalist bosses aren't going to pay people to do nothing.
And they can't sell consumer goods to their robots.
When exactly is this happening ?

 

People on low incomes tend to spend a considerable amount of their money on fast food, KFC and **** like that it's one of the reasons there is so much obesity among low earners. Waitrose, Sainsbury's, Asda,Tesco's have already brought in limits on goods.
I feel you are looking at this situation with a doomsday outlook,its undoubtedly grave and will get worse before it improves but if everyone had your attitude we would be in a siege situation awaiting a scenario such as depicted in Cormac McCarthy's,"The Road".
I'd like to close with the observation that a society is measured by how it takes care of its elderly and infirm ,and that comments such as this ,your earlier one, are hardly helpful or indeed humane.
"A global economic crash is only going to make it worse.
And for what ? To save some old people ?"

 

It's not a horror movie. Tell that to the hordes of panic buying idiots though.
I can only report what I see. I've been in the supermarkets daily and it's getting worse daily. Hopefully it will improve here too.

 

Are you just completely ignoring the fact that nearly every supermarket is bringing in sensible, rational measures to stop this though?

We've had some people making sensible preparations and some people being idiots and panic buying. The latter are being stopped yet your attitude seems to be 'I've seen the horror and it's going to get worse.' You genuinely sound a bit paranoid.

 

He has been widely ridiculed for repeatedly referring to old people. Yes, old people are more at risk, but his solution would put the lives of countless people who are very much not old in very real danger, because they would not be able to get the medical treatment needed to ensure that if they get it and have a bad reaction to it that they can get onto a ventilator.

In addition to this, consider the following. A seventy year old UK resident can expect to live another eleven years on average. Many will have another two decades. Seventy year olds in this country are very much not simply sitting around waiting to die. The notion that so many of them should be written of for economic reasons when collectively they have so long to live seems broadly deranged.

 

You're perhaps stereotyping.
Lots of low income people have families and literally cannot afford to spend considerable amounts of their money on KFC and ****.
They buy the rice and pasta and beans, cheap tinned foods, the stuff in value and basic brands, etc., as staples.

And yet I can assure you I'm not the one going out hoarding food. Those are the doomsday scenario people.
I'm not someone who is walking around in fear nervous when I hear someone as much as cough within 50 feet of me.
Or standing on the street corner preaching the end of the world.
I've merely raised some issues relating to the prospect of "economic collapse".

Fair enough.
But I will say again people have a very odd idea of what "economic crash" could, and does, entail. It's not just some banker looking at his Financial Times and spitting out his coffee, or a building firm going bust and having to sell his holiday home in Spain.
The elderly and the infirm, as well as children, and many others, will suffer immeasurably if an economy goes into crisis. I think I've made my opinion on this fairly clear. Poverty kills.

My motives are entirely humane, as I know yours surely are as well.

 

Stop being an idiot.
I haven't describe it as 'horror'.

I haven't ignored "the fact" of anything. I've been in the supermarkets TODAY and told you it's worse today that it was yesterday, and it's been bad for 2 weeks.
Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just saying what I saw.
I'm hopeful it will improve, and I've expressed the fact that I'm happy others here have been able to shop properly.
I find it encouraging that supermarkets are taking measures. I haven't yet seen improvements but I am encouraged by the statements.
So why do you insist on misquoting me and portraying me as a paranoid doomsayer ?
What are YOU so afraid of, TonyHayers ?

 

Mate, everyone knows what you've been saying. Millions dead, society collapsing, bloody unrest. You don't have to say the word doomsday to be painting such a scenario.

Can you explain this. You've said elsewhere you aren't concerned at all about this. I think it was words to the effect that out of ten you're a one on the concerned scale. So how does that tally with the fact that your 'keep everything open and let the virus just ride itself out' approach blatantly isn't happening, and your view as to what that entails is the aforementioned mass casualties, economic destruction and in your own words society collapsing?

 

I've already explained myself several times over.
I've addressed every point you've made regarding statements I've made, and clarified myself repeatedly.

As always, you simply ignore what you've been told and go back to hammering the same weird stuff out. You latch onto statements and pull them out of context and twist them into your messy argument. The more someone tries to explain and clarify to you, the more deranged and insistently simplistic you become.

You really are a troll, a blight on this forum.
Dozens have said it before me, and it's undoubtedly true.

 

This is a good observation, there's a reason why all the pasta and rice has disappeared from the shelves yet alternative healthier carb sources such as kidney beans and fruit are still there in abundance. I'd be most concerned if the fruit, veg, fish and meat ran out in my stores but that does not seem to be the case thus far at least.

 

You're really boring.
But, yes, I can explain it.
And I already have.

 

My local supermarkets have hardly any tinned stuff left unless it's spaghetti hoops or whatever. I love making myself a chicken and mixed beans salad too.