Archie Moore vs Earnie Shavers

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  1. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is bull. Archie beat fighters Id favor over shavers big and small. Nino, Baker, Cestac,lavorante, Davidson, etc were just as big and skilled men. I don’t think all beat shavers but some of them certainly do. Smaller men that Archie beat like Harold Johnson would also beat shavers. Shavers had power but let’s not make him into something he wasn’t.
     
  2. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Don't change the topic. I am waiting for your list of guys that moore did beat who were BIGGER AND BETTER THAN LYLE.
     
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  3. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lmao
    https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/8995?offset=0

    The next time think first about the nonsenses you say
     
  4. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He fought in a "much harder era" but his wins aren't actually better than what Valdes fought.
    What notable wins does Shaver have?
    Maybe he hit harder, he was also more fragile and had worse stamina. He was also smaller than Valdes.

    Besides, here is what Moore did to Valdes:
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  5. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Valdez besides a past prime LIGHT HW charles who he did beat?
    Earnie shavers destroyed ken norton(H2H NORTON IS BETTER HW THAN CHARLES HANDS DOWN), did beat jimmy ellis,jimmy young,joe bugner,roy Williams and gave Ali ,lyle and Holmes great fights.
    Valdez in the era of shavers would have been crap. And he was taller but not bigger than shavers. He was not as strong at 6'3 and 206 pounds he was skinny and was not even close in hitting power
     
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  6. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pat McMurty
    Mike DeJohn
    Don Cokkell
    Tommy Jackson
    Heinz Neuhaus
    and of course Ezzard Charles
    Norton was past prime, but let's give him credit for that fight.
    Jimmy Ellis isn't any better than some fighters Valdes beat. Same with Bugner.
    Jimmy Young was a novice when he beat him and he wasn't great fighter either.
    Giving great fights doesn't matter here, he lost to all of them. I'm sure he would give Moore "great fight" but he would also lose.
     
  7. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So all you did was mentioning a bunch nobodies as "merit of valdez" and you have the balls to mention that norton was past his prime and jimmy young as a" novice" when the bum Don cokkel was in his ****ing end when he fought valdez and even in his prime was a joke. Mike dejohn? And you mention him like a notable win? Lmao
    Tommy jackson? Lol. And you say that JIMMY ELLIS AND JOE BUGNER WERE NOT BETTER THAN THESE GUYS? . after all you are the guy who debated me that Larry Holmes did not have better durability than Joe Louis and your point was that Tyson stopped Holmes and then when i mentioned the marciano fight you said "JOE LOUIS WAS PAST HIS PRIME" yes because Holmes was in his prime against Tyson. You are a biased guy a total waste of time.
     
  8. Gazelle Punch

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    Maybe you should think about the nonsense you say. Moore’s HW record (debatable) is around 64-4-2 I forget how many KOs. Those four losses were Bivins, Marciano, Patterson, and Ali...he was over 38 for Marciano Ali and Patterson. He beat far more ranked men then Lyle...you really don’t have much of an argument unless you’re completely stubborn.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Damn, people picking someone based on size? It's 17lbs! Seriously, it's not that deep. Look at the difference in class, skill and talent, Moore is the clear favourite.

    He'd pick his spots and counter, or even simply play it safe and go for the late game. Should a war occur, you pick the guy with nicer technique and the better chin... So Moore again! Like c'mon for **** sake, Shavers could lose to Bob Satterfield... let alone The Old Mongoose.
     
  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never said that, discussions with you are waste of time.
     
  11. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You change the topic, i repeat. Show me the guys THAT YOU SAID that moore did beat who were better-bigger than lyle. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DID NOT HAVE ANY ANSWER BECAUSE YOU INVENTED OR LIED.
     
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  12. Charlietf

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    NO MY FRIEND. The problem is that you are a biased guy plus a liar
     
  13. 70sFan865

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    Liar? Could you elaborate?
     
  14. Gazelle Punch

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    Already gave u men who were on the Lyle level. Baker Valdez Cestac, Lavorante. Some were bigger some weren’t as good some were better . Lyle was a good fighter but let’s not make him out to be something he wasn’t. I don’t think all those men are better then Lyle maybe Baker and Valdez win. But the other men were skilled big men.
     
  15. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    lmao

    lmao

    ARCHIE MOORE AT HEAVYWEIGHT DID NOT HAVE ANY ****ING WIN IN THE SAME LEVEL OF LYLE..NOT EVEN CLOSE. VALDEZ WAS TRASH, HE. HAD A LUCKY WIN OVER A PAST PRIME LHW CHARLES AND IT WAS ALL. HE HAD TONS OF DEFEATS EVEN BY KO AGAINST MEDIOCRE GUYS . DEFEATS AGAINST GUYS LIKE ZORA FOLEY OR EDDIE MACHEN ,BOB BAKER, SATTERFIELD,BILLY GILLIAN ETC GUYS WHO WERE MUCH SMALLER AND WERE NOT BETTER THAN LYLE AT ALL
     
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