Writer debunks "The Four Who Baffled Liston Article"

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    This is my post
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    I've learned quite a bit here from various posters and am grateful to them.But I find making threads increasingly unrewarding, when you have pedantic trolls who only want to derail your threads while contributing nothing themselves.
    I also find myself getting frustrated with the lack of even rudimentary knowledge from some of the recent ones.It's certainly no crime to not be up to speed with the subject, but these newer guys ignore facts and just incessantly repeat the same fan boy garbage .I shall be travelling for the best part of March first the South of France ,then the Carribean so it will be a good opportunity to take a hiatus.
    I wish all the good guys the very best ,they know who they are , as for the dross, I can only hope they improve,but I find the prospect exceedingly doubtful .I'll look in from time to time, but I think my time as a regular here is now limited."
    Get someone to explain the word HIATUS to you. This is yet another example of you derailing a thread to attempt to score some pathetic point.I wonder you weren't ****ed off years ago for ballsing up people's threads.I'd recommend a bullet in the brain for you,but there would be no target to aim at!
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    Still saying racists? You illiterate moron. You're on ignore now ,you piece of crapulous ****.
     
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  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I remember sitting with Sonny at Mama Mojo House coffee and pastry diner and eating kiwi lime pie with him. "I thought this was key lime, not kiwi lime. I'm slightly allergic to kiwis." Liston said. "Bet you ate a few from down under anyway though." I said. There was a long, awkward pause. Then Liston's big smile lit up the room and he laughed. "Sweetie, your tongue is swolled(sic) up." Mama Mojo's niece said from behind the counter, shakily holding a carafe of coffee or some type of strong, dark tea. Liston twinkled his eyes at us and began to laugh and winked at me. He knew what I was thinking. I was thinking, 'Man, he gon' die maybe.' But he was thinking something else. Anyway. That's just a story for you. The Mojo family were aboriginal.
     
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  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You mean SI said nothing about Machen clearly having one arm useless in the fight? Please link the article because that's vital information missing in that case.


    From memory I think that one of them said that Liston overbalanced with his jab, which meant he couldn't follow up with the right. Ali had a pretty easy time leaning away from or slipping his jab and there where few rights coming afterwards. And in the rematch Ali of course put him down when he overbalanced with the jab.

    A more hazy recollection is that someone said that Liston wasn't great at cutting off the ring and he was certainly inept at this against Ali.

    But link the article so when can see if I remember right ot not.
     
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  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    As usual you cannot disagree with my post. You just want to prevent debate.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I've never understood the notion that Machen "exposed" Liston. Machen was injured, understandably ran and spoiled, Liston went after him early, looked clumsy, shortened up his punches, totally dominated the contest. Won almost every round.

    I mean if that's what people grasp for to make a case for something, seems an oddity.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Jesus ****ing Christ Chok **** off! Every ****ing time someone calls you out on your intellectual dishonesty, misleading info, half-truths, or flat out lies, it's always that they're unable to debate you because you're always right. Never mind that virtually everyone who calls you out is not only debating you. But almost always they are in the winning end as is the case in this thread (tbh I've yet to see you garner a victory here). So **** off with this "You're only calling me dishonest, disingenuous because you can't disagree with me". We both know it's simply not true.
     
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  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1964/02/10/the-four-who-baffled-liston

    As you said Machen's hurt shoulder was mentioned (albeit briefly) but I was replying to your criticism of McKinney saying you were more impressed with the SI article.
     
  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    What on Earth have I ever said on this thread that could be construed as intellectually dishonest!

    Literally all I’ve said on this thread is The guy debunking the SI article says Whitehurst was “pitifully unskilled”and that in my opinion fighters can comfortably win decisions whilst still being baffled by their opponents.

    Seems you are confused?
     
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  9. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    It's ****ing crazy! Machen was dominated, outboxed, rendered virtually helpless, lost almost every single round, and yet he "baffled" Liston? I'm no mathematician but something doesn't add up!
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I'm not referring to just this thread but whenever numerous people call you out on your bull****, it's always because they're "unable to refute your argument and have to resort to cheap shots". It's never you. It's them!
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Oh your not referring to this thread? Don’t attack me on this thread then.

    I knew you were confused.
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    JUST. You ****ing moron :lol:
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Nice language there son. You certainly set a great standard. I could respond in kind but I imagine I would get reported.

    By the way, the four who baffled Liston is a very good article.
     
  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Just noticed you purposely misquoted me in a (failed) attempt to gain a miniscule victory. THIS is precisely the type of thing I've been talking out. Thanks for showing everyone everything I've (and others) said about you is true.
     
  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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