Joe Frazier Lifting weights

Strength work without working with heavyweights is not a complete tranining

 

I was a very strong wrestler in my 20s really was never overpowered. But it did not translate well to weight lifting . Had a hard time shoulder pressing much more the 50 pound dumbbells and about a 230 pound bench press max. Had lots of stronger guys in the weight room with 300 pound bench’s and I was a stronger grappler.

long story short, there is a lot more to strength then shoulder pressing.

 

Of course. But i am a grappler and the bench press and the squads are very important in grappling and wrestling. How much did you weigh?

 

Its changed as the fella was saying, I never done weights, the most was probably a dumbbell bar with a weight on a rope and highering and lowering that with arms stretched out in front of me. My boy trains with weights quite often at his gym that he goes to

 

I was 5’11 175. But After I stopped working out so much I was 220 and not really overweight at all.

I was very strong though had no really problems with guys weighing in the 250 range and usually had the upper hand because I was very coordinated and tricky.

 

Grappling and wrestling are the future. A good grappler or wrestler would beat a good striker in a free fight the 80% of the times

 

Its a better sports for kids. Wrestling, Judo or even bjj. You can spar hard all the time is one advantage, and not really get seriously hurt.

 

for kids? Lol. I have trained grappling,judo, japanese jiu Jitsu, brazilian jiu jitsu, boxing and muay thai. In a free fight it is not even competitive. The guy who can fight in the floor dominates always.
A serious randori in the floor is no joke

 

Whatever you do, cover you eyes in the swimming event Frazier was in.

 

I agree with everything you say on this thread, save that "funhctional strength" is a real & valid term.
So is spevific strength for activities, they overlap, though the former stresses more practical activities like vasic lifting & carrying of objects.
Pushing things also; anything that is a more usual or natural work or real life actiuvity that is not a particular exercise that has been developed.
Though all arre valid measures of strength...

So for example Olympic liftiing builds real overall strength...
But given that it takes a lot of training to do the technique correctly, it is a terrible measure of overall strength, since the throwing, catching & at the end of fingers particular way it is done needs to be learned & is fairly complex...

So if you assumed how well a novice, or even a serious weighlifter did compared to someone in the sport, the power of the latter would be overestimated, just because they know how to do these highly rintualized movements in the most efficient way.

 

I agree with this sentiment (i like both as well), though it only goes to show that different sports have different strength developments

Ironically you'd think Frazier would be a better boxer for olympic weightlifting, since he has short arms and therefore less bar travel (built like a 6' Tian Tao). Imagine Ali's 78" reach trying this

 

No i know about the calf this was a different instance.

 

imagine Liston. Ahaha

 

....Why... just why?

 

Grappling has nothing to do with pressing... the bread and butter of a wrestlers weightlifting (I tried out) was deadlifting and power cleans with quite alot of barbell rowing.