GGG vs Canelo 1, who has really won?

Also does it irritate anyone else seeing loudmouth Bernard Hopkins standing and rejoicing in the audience every time Canelo threw a flurry to get GGG off of him in the 1st fight?

 

There is only one guy that Canelo came down 2 lbs for and that was Floyd. On fight night Canelo out weighed him by at least 20 to 22 lbs. When Abel was talking about any fighter from 154lbs to 168lbs he never meant Golovkin was going down, he meant the 154lber could go up and for the right fight they might go to 168lbs, but for the most part there was a bunch of duds at 168lbs so why bother outside of Ward.Abel said they would only come down for Floyd not Canelo who already came into his fights while fighting at 154 lb weight division,on fight night weighing 174lbs while Golovkin fighting at 160lbs came in on fight night weighing mostly 170 lbs and 173 at the most. I think it was better off for the aging Cotto that he didn't fight GGG, I don't think it would have ended well for him. Hopefully you aren't suggesting that Golovkin was afraid of Cotto. As I said before Marvin Hagler never went down or up.

 

My point exactly making excuses for why GGG shouldn't take fights considering his sh1tty resume why dont you come up with reason to actually take big fights. I'm done now tho man because all you got is excuses

 

This **** is still going on?

 

You have to be a special kind of hater to get upset at fans cheering for their fighter.

 

I would like to see Golovkin fight Andrade, even though he is boring, or preferably Charlo which would be all action, I would also like to see him fight Jermell as well. If he doesnt I'm not going to turn on him and hate him though.

 

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I had both bouts even. Put a gun to my head and demand that I identify a winner in the fights, I'd say Golovkin was slightly more deserving in both, but it really is just the matter of a swing round the other way.

The first fight, Sanchez himself had Golovkin three down after three, while many are in agreement on Canelo winning the championship rounds (including some who scored the fight for Golovkin) – if one were to see eye to eye with those assessments, it would leave Canelo needing only one of the rounds from 4-10 to earn a draw. If you examine the various scorecards that have been turned in, you'll notice a lot of inconsistency and discord in terms of which guy won which rounds. Even the scorecards that agree on a winner differ substantially; take those scoring for Golovkin – some have him winning two out of the first three (though not always the same two), others have him losing all of the opening three, some have him taking a share of the championship rounds (though not always the same round), some having him winning both of them, others have him losing both of them. It's just one of those fights.

But whomever you award the victory to, the endless battling between the fanbases is absurd from an outsider's point of view. Neither guy covered himself in glory or seperated himself clearly from the other in terms of level or class. What I see is two very good fighters of around B+ caliber, each suffering a compound of shortcomings which keeps them out of the very highest bracket. Both guys have ended up in close fights with Daniel Jacobs, after all, and Jacobs is nought but a solid B level operator with some speed and pop and basic boxing. The argument is all over a fine margin of victory.

If you're Golovkin or a Golovkin fan, you'd have to be a little disappointed even if he'd been awarded the victory. Expectations for him were much higher than a close win over Canelo Alvarez.

I've seen nothing in the 2.5 years since September 2017 to alter my assessment of the pair, which I offered shortly before Golovkin fought Martirosyan;

I don't entirely discredit Canelo's win over Kovalev, but the Eleider Alvarez episode made it clear that Kovalev was a diminished and fragile fighter, even in reclaiming his title in the return match.


Canelo has a very big problem. The political privilege he enjoys is the same thing preventing him from building an honest legacy. I can't even get enthusiastic about a fight involving him anymore, because it's always going to lead to rancour and controversy. And I'm not talking about whether he deserved a draw in the first Golovkin fight (I thought 114-114 was reasonable), nor whether he beat Trout or Lara (my recollection of the Trout bout is hazy, but I did score the Lara fight in Canelo's favor), I'm talking about going forward. He has a very good chin and he's a very good boxer, so he wins. Every match. Nobody's knocking him out from 160-168, and nobody can get a decision against him without thoroughly dominating the great majority of rounds (which is a lot to ask of guys in a SMW era which lacks a Calzaghe or a Ward). It makes his career a pointless exercise for fans of the sport, right up until the point that he's fit to be used as a stepping stone for younger models. I can derive some enjoyment from watching him box very well, but the thrill of open competition is absent from his fights. How do I get excited for Canelo-Saunders if I already know that Saunders' only realistic route to victory is already cut off?

Even an ardent Canelo fan, if he's at all conscionable, has to be concerned about this. I'd rather my guy take some lumps and show the drive to bounce back than get every decision handed to him on a ten-year nominally undefeated streak. Oscar himself showed the capacity to do that, while being on both the crappy end and the beneficial end of questionable decisions here and there.

 

Plus he's a convicted drug cheat.

 

GGG won both fights 8-4.

Corrupted judging robbed him of 2 victories.

 

While I disagree with you regarding the first fight(and on some other points), this was a damn good assesment for the near 5 years of Golovkin/Canelo continuum.

 

Canelo walked out with the title so he did

 

This is exactly what made you and a bunch of other losers, haters of 3G. Blaming the fans! Hypocrite moron....

 

GGG 116-112