Name some of the most cowardly shameless ducks in baaxing

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Thats the same as saying Khan never ducked Kell Brook because he was waiting around on Mayweather. But most of what you say is correct , GGG ducked a fight against Ward because it was too much risk.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    He'd just been over to Germany and beaten Wlad.

    There was no logical reason to duck a rematch in Britain.

    He was neither mentally or physically fit to fight when he was at the Euro's. He's lucky he didn't kill himself during that period.

    He then had 3 years out.

    It's then taken almost 2 years to get back to the top.

    We all know that he took the first Wilder fight too early.

    We all wanted to see the rematch.

    Up until now, he's never been in a position to fight Joshua. And on what planet would he ever take a 40% split in what will be one of the biggest fights in the history of the division?

    The fight will happen at some point next year.
     
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  3. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    I agree. But Jr's got some bottle.

    I'm sure he'd have taken the fight.
     
  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    It stated in the contract that Ward would have a tune-up while GGG went ahead with his fight against Lemiuex. GGG should have seen it as an advantage to him that Ward may have struggled to make the weight again. But instead of going for it against an inactive Ward, he demanded that Ward had to lose another 4 pounds or there would be no fight. They made that stipulation as they knew Ward could not agree to come down to 164lbs.
     
  5. Loudon

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    Yeah, but the circumstances were completely different.

    Khan was hanging around hoping to fight Floyd.

    The winner of the Canelo-Cotto fight was legally obligated to fight GG.

    Nobody in GG's position at that time would even have considered fighting somebody else when they were waiting for a huge unification fight in the upcoming months.
     
  6. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Hey man how you doing today. That's cool mate, everyone's got an opinion on here, I'm too tired or/and old to bother trying to change anyone's anymore :lol:
     
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  7. Loudon

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    Yeah, the whole 164 pounds thing was nonsense. And he’s still not ventured up to SMW. But nobody in his position would have wanted to have fought someone from another weight class, when the winner of the Canelo-Cotto fight was obligated to fight them. It would have been nonsensical. He was a MW with a goal of unifying the title.

    Fighting guys in other weight classes is for, if:

    You’re taking on a new challenge.

    Everything has been accomplished.

    There’s nothing else on the horizon.

    You can’t get the fights that you require.
     
  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    The WBC actually made Khan a mandatory challenger to Mayweather so the situations aren't all that different.

    There's obviously nothing wrong with Golovkin trying to fight Canelo , but he called out guys at 168 and then pretend they ducked him. Ward took him up on the challenge and was denied within "36 minutes" of making the offer . . :nusenuse:
     
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  9. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury was willing to fight for 40% split against Wilder in much lower earning earning fight than the potential AJ fight. Decided to fight the likes of Schwarz and Wallin in front a combined 8,000 capacity.
     
  10. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Golovkin was given no guarante that the winner would fight him. He was holding out for a fight that wouldn't happen for another two years. Most knew Canelo wasn't going straight into that fight and Golovkin would have known it too.

    At the time he was criticized for having a poor run of challengers so he should have jumped at the chance to fight one of the best guys of the last 20 years.
    Ward never called out Kovalev or anybody at 175. He accepted the challenge by Kovalev and satisfied the public demanded when he took that fight.
    Golovkin made the choice to waste his career waiting on a paycheck from a guy who fought bellow his weight class.
     
  12. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    It isn't my thread. I just had a list that I thought was somewhat relevant.

    It's going fine here. Thanks. How you doing?

    You know how weak the resumes of our best boxers were this last decade? Was that from ducking and cherry picking, lack of ambition, bad management, or just missed opportunities? I think of some guys like Cotto, De La Hoya, or Salido who didn't win them all, but took more swings at greatness than guys like Lomachenko and Crawford, and if they'd have won them all they'd be top 10 ATGs. They took every opportunity. They didn't waste time. They didn't waffle about promotions or money splits. They didn't fight the fifth best fighter in the division when they could get the champion in the ring. I like to think of guys like Holman Williams as setting a gold standard that Floyd Mayweather couldn't reach. I think that kind of lack of fear, will to try anything, constantly attempting attitude, testing limits, courting greatness, and courage is the epitome of the fighter's heart, a prototype we should all strive for.
     
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  13. Loudon

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    Okay, but we know Floyd was never going to take the fight.

    GG was kidded to by Oscar.

    He was strung along.

    Personally, I think that Andre was tired of the hype and the ego in him offered the fight.
     
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  14. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    @Loudon having said that, which round you think Artur would have flattened Ward in?
     
  15. Loudon

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    The circumstances were completely different.

    Fury could afford to take less against Wilder, as he saw it as an easier fight to make, in order to get back to the top.

    He took on Schwartz and Wallin on his new ESPN deal, to both raise his U.S. profile, and to sharpen up his skills, as he’d taken the first Wilder fight too soon when he wasn’t at 100%