What's the best argument against FMJ being the greatest?

SRR, SRL, Duran, RJJ, Pep, Charles and Whitaker all impressed me more than Mayweather.

 

He was kinda like an old, fat career featherweight, really.

 

Opponents, let's take a look at his last 15 opponents:
1.Judah, looked great at one time but by the time he faced Mayweather Jr. Clearly damaged goods. ( An on going theme with Mayweatherjr opponents.
2. Baldimir , a tough fighter but his skill level wasn't close to grea .
3. De la Hoya. Best yrs almost 10 yrs prior, also using drugs...
4.Hatton a good fighter, but tailor made for Mayweather's skill set.
5.Marquez, a natural featherweight and at the tail end of his career, fought May at welter.
6.Mosely , clearly at the tail end of his career. Fought like an old man during this fight.
7.Ortiz , at the tail end of his career, 3-3 with a draw after May.
8.Cotto, tailor made for May, also 4-3 after May, at the end of his career.
9.Guerrero, 4-4 after May, at the tail end of his career, wasn't that good in his prime.
10. Alvarez, a good fighter, but nothing special, the only one of the 15 that accomplished something after May.
11.Maidana, a tough fighter gave May fits this fight with his aggression, but clearly not a great fighter. This is the fight that showed me a great pressure fighter beats May. Duran kills him.
12.Maidana May wins this much more comfortably, but Maidana still had moments, but again, whould anyone that know boxing call Maidana a great fighter.
13.Pacquiao, a fight 5 yrs and a blistering ko loss against Pac to late. Also Pacs best weight was feather, Pac has had some decent success after May, but nothing that special.
14. Berto. Berto wouldn't have came close to beating May in his prime, much less at this stage of his career.
15. McGregor Really? If their was any real justice in boxing, this fight wouldn't be counted as a win for May.
Everyone of those fighters had major question Mark's prior to facing May. Not one of these fighters were considered a major threat to May.
Smoke and mirrors.... Every fight is a calculated risk for any fighter. But Mayweather had a tendency too weigh the scales to his favor in almost every fight he's had, especially at welterweight.
Just the fact of him being favored in every fight suggest the true caliber of this competition.
Mayweather has blown his own horn, and has a base of fanatical believers that follow him, they buy into 50-0 without a second glance. But I just gave any reasonable boxing fan a reason to look a little closer at his career. Its smoke and mirrors. And he doesn't belong in a top twenty in my opinion.

 

Excellent post. My view as well. I would have Floyd ( and Manny ) in the 20- 25 bracket which is still very high when you consider how long boxing has been around but neither is the GOAT or top ten in my opinion.

Cheers.

 

Mayweather ain't no GOAT.

 

Assessing opponents by using phrases like “ he wasn’t that good “ or “ was Taylor made “ has got bias written all over it.

 

Because he never really wanted to be challenged.
I mean when he was a Jr. Lightweight he had great wins- Hernandez,Manfredy, Corrales were all excellent wins.
Mosley looks great on paper but he was WAY past it.
Oscar was YEARS away from his prime.
Manny fight happened YEARS too late.
Hatton got crushed by PAC inside two rounds and I never thought Hatton was all that.
Marquez was a FEATHERWEIGHT who fought May at Welter.
I mean look at someone like Leonard: Stopped unbeaten Benitez for the title.
Unified Titles by stopping unbeaten Hearns.
Made Duran quit.
Moved up and beat unbeaten Kalue for title.
Beat Hagler.
Benitez, Hearns and Duran fights took place when all were YOUNG and pretty much in thier primes - not when one was 37/38 years old and the other wasnt.

 

Facts are facts. Some like them, some don't. And I'm not being bias, just calling it the way I see it. Frazier was tailor made for Foreman, I love Frazier, but his style played right into Foreman's strength. Quite a few of Mayweather 's wins if u look deeper and analyze, not just look at the results and highlights, theirs a pattern to his career.

 

And his victory over Frazier doesn’t make him any less of a great fighter or deny him his place as a top 10 heavyweight all time. In fact we can use the excuse of one being “ taylor “ made for any victory.. you also called Pac and Marquez washed up apparently forgetting that they continued to be top welters for years AFTER Floyd beat them. Hell Pac is still around now.. was Floyd any younger than either of them or more active fighting when they met ? . And labeling Canelo as being no big deal when he was a 42-0 professional and lineal Jr. middleweight champ with 12 years youth on Floyd...Not to mention going on to being the p4p best for years after... How many times does a veteran beat his successor ? I’m sorry but your whole post was just one sided and not objective at all.

 

Judah and Broner at their best 'looked' better than him (they weren't).

Man, Jose Napoles was smooth as butter. He possibly 'looked' the best.

I don't really understand this 'look' thing I don't think.

 

1st question, was Pac and Marquez at welter their best fighting weight? 2and question what was their records after they fought Mayweather jr , I'll answer it for u, 5-1 Pac 6-2 Marquez they both looked faded before and after Mayweather. Alvarez was green as new grass when he fought May, the batting odds were -300 , a 75% percent average for Mayweather to win. Why do you think that is?Alvarez , A bigger supposedly stronger ,younger fighter. It ment that almost everyone pretty much knew Alvarez wasn't as good as his record suggest. And he isn't. I didn't say Foreman's victory made his victory over Frazier not as impressive, I was only demonstrating how certain styles fit perfectly into what an opponent does best. Foreman is a great fighter, but if he fought a style similar to Frazier his entire career he would be considered the GOAT. Styles make fights. Mayweather in his shrewdness new certain styles had very little chance against him. But all fighter do that. The difference is, with Mayweather Jr. no one he faced was considered a serious threat to him. Unlike Robinson,(Gavilan) , Unlke Ali ( Foreman, Liston) unlike Leonard ( Benitez, Hearns,Hagler) etc with most truly great fighters .
What does that say about his level of competition ? Factor in where most of his opponents were at the time he faced them. It's all their, nothing I'm making up. His career has been smoke and mirrors for the most part.

 

I have to give it up for Duran, Armstrong, SRR, Louis, and 60s Ali. Those guys were just incredible. Yeah, better ATGs than Mayweather, at least imo. Sanchez should at least be mentioned imo.

 

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Interesting that you've only given snippets of your perspective for each fight but, in doing so, have still struck the essence of doubt that might be interpreted from Mayweather's ledger.

Mayweather is a very high quality product, with exceptionally clever packaging.