Calzaghe aside- who is the GOAT at 168?

Eubank's come from behind victory over Watson, win in Germany against Rocky, draw with Benn at Old Trafford in front of 47,000 (despite it being on free tv), 14 defenses in 30 or so months, literal robbery against Collins (first fight), travelling to South Africa, coming out of retirement to face Calzaghe at short notice, etc makes Chris Eubank the man possibly even including Calzaghe.

 

I say literal robbery vs Collins, it was - Eubank scores a clean knockdown in the second round which wasn't counted. Collins outsmarts the referee by shouting 'no knockdown!' after he's knocked down! On all three cards Collins won the second round 10-9, it should've been 10-8 for Eubank. That's a 3-point swing.

Collins scores a knockdown against Eubank in the 8th which was far less clear a knockdown, more of a push/balance thing. Eubank won the round except the knockdown, but of course all three judges score it 10-8 Collins when it should've been 10-9 Eubank. Another 3-point swing.

That's a 6-point swing right there!

 

In the closing seconds of the fight, Eubank is actually holding Calzaghe up - one step back and one uppercut and Eubank would've regained his title. He wouldn't of done that because it's the shot that damaged Watson late on, so he didn't.

 

You asked me to show you where this was...

 

It says right there “or 117-114/117-115” so as close as 117-115. any of those scores are laughable though. It was a 119-104 fight. I’m not going to argue with you though.

 

On a H2H basis, he clearly is.

 

WTF? Some say he lost twice to Close, he got trounced by Calzaghe and how on earth do you feel he beat Collins? Eubank admitted he lost his first bout v Collins, it was a tight cagey affair the only way Eubank could have won that bout is if you consider the round he floored Collins as a 10-8 round, what fight were you watching?

 

Calzaghe was better.

 

BS.

At what exactly?

Roy looked unbeatable at SMW.

He beat Toney like nobody else ever did.

He beat Malinga easily.

He beat Lucas easily after playing semi-pro basketball.

He beat Sosa easily.

He literally went a full round against Paz without getting hit. And go and watch the knockout, which was a 6 punch combo, whilst walking forwards. It was amazing. The speed, the power, the timing and the accuracy etc. Three uppercuts, off either hand, whilst walking forward.

All Joe has in his favour is the numbers. And that's because he had 44 fights at the weight to Roy's 7.

Joe was a great fighter. But he was never as good as what Roy was when he was prime.

His biggest wins at the weight were no better than Roy's win over Toney, and most of the others were on a similar level to Lucas and Malinga. And most of his mandatories were at a lower level.

He didn't really beat anybody better than what Roy did, he just stayed at the weight for considerably longer. Also, he didn't always look great. He scraped by Reid and had to get up from the floor against Mitchell and Salem.

Compare their skills and attributes:

Joe was fitter with a better chin.

Roy was faster. He was more powerful. He was more accurate. He had a much better defence where he was much harder to hit.

You're talking nonsense.

 

Calzaghe would have toyed with Paz and Jones didn`t land much on Malinga until he caught him with a hook and finished him, Malinga was pretty average too.

 

He probably would have toyed with Paz. Yeah, Malinga wasn't great. But go and look at who Joe beat.

What do you think Roy would have done with Joe's opponents?

Do you think he'd have struggled with Robin Reid?

Do you think he'd have been dropped by Byron Mitchell and Kabary Salem?

Joe was great. But he never looked unbeatable.

Explain how Joe was better than Roy.

You can't.

 

Roy was dropped by and Del Valle.

 

And?

Explain how Joe was a better SMW.

 

Who cares about H2H? H2H is about how a fighter would do in a fantasy fight. Resume is more important.

And LOL @ acting like beating Paz is a great accomplishment. Paz was a blown up lightweight who was mediocre even in his natural weight class.

 

He was better at feinting opponents out of position, Jones was poor in his first fight v Griffin. Calzaghe had a better jab.