Should Dundee Have Walked Away From Ali When Pacheco Did?

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  1. steve21

    steve21 Well-Known Member

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    He had a quack doc as part of his camp who decided - based on observation alone, no lab work - that Ali's thyroid was malfunctioning and prescribed him a med called Thyrolar that affected his metabolism. That was bad enough, but Ali thought they were like vitamins and took more than the prescribed dose. If there was a bigger recipe for disaster - Ali's poor health to begin with, coupled with a misdiagnosis, invalid prescription and subsequent overdose - I can't imagine it.
     
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  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I remember reading something like this a while ago. I’m also sure they were giving him another drug, forget what it was which was also f****** him up.
    It’s a sad story.
     
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  3. Curtis Lowe

    Curtis Lowe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No. Dundee wasn't the alcoholic Pacheco.
     
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  4. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Shouldn’t the question be whether Ali should have walked away from boxing? He had the medical info and he made his choice.

    Whether Dundee and Pacheco were part of it or not, he was going to keep fighting. His life and his choice.
     
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  5. mcvey

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    Whether Pacheco was an alcoholic or not, he walked and Dundee didn't.
     
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  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    If you had a family member who was a drug addict and he asked you to help him administer those drugs ,would you comply or walk away?
     
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  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    But Pacheco isn't one of them. Ali was being beaten up by Witherspoon in sparring.He didn't belong anywhere near a boxing ring.
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Pacheco sent him the results of tests that showed his kydneys were not filtering properly,his cognizant tests were poor too.
     
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  9. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I realise that Mac, he chucked it in after the Shavers fight.
    What I’m saying is that from arriving in Vegas until the fight Ali although shot, still deteriorated even further.
    I might try to dig out the piece I read it was a while ago and post it.
    It makes distressing reading.
     
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  10. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great view on the Ali-Spinks thing, though Ali was really faded by the time he first fought Spinks.
     
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  11. andrewe

    andrewe Ezekiel 33 banned Full Member

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    Yes.
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    (Ferdie Pacheco talking in the vid)

    I agree with Pacheco, I think Ali should have quit boxing after Manila. The VERY LATEST would be after the second Spinks fight, but that's me being a greedy fan and wanting him to be the first 3x heavyweight champ. For his personal health, a retirement after Manila would be ideal.
    Ali was one tough man, man.
     
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  12. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hell yeah, but money makes people do strange things.
     
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  13. GoldenHulk

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    I thought Bundini was the alcoholic. Didn't he pawn Ali's championship belts, and Ali forgave him? There were definitely some characters in the Ali circus.
     
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  14. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I think Dundee was also the person who can be heard frantically screaming "STOP IT! STOP THE FIIIIIIGHT!!!" during Foreman-Frazier I.
     
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  15. Naked Snake

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    Maybe. Or maybe Angelo walking would have been the wake up call he needed. He had much love for Angelo. If Angelo told him he wasn't good enough any more, maybe it would have hit him that he really wasn't
     
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