Wlad Klitchsko vs Buddy Baer primes

Of course he is. Of course he is.

 

I think Haye is probably his best win and almost certainly a better fighter than Baer. I also think his last fight with Joshua, despite ending in a KO loss, is actually one of his most impressive performances, considering his age.

He's kind of like Lewis that way, but the analogy isn't perfect.

 

Ring Magazine published me. How reliable can their judgement be?

 

You're actually a much better writer than most people published in magazines.

 

Yes, it can be. If your sick ( documented, Wlad was at his lowest professional weight ) , going past 10 rounds for the first time, and want to impress in front of the home town fans is can be an issue.

As it happened, Purity was super durable, and Wlad, who wanted to impress, punched himself out. If he wasn't trying to impress or had a corner who knew what they were doing, he probably doesn't lose that match.

Purity did not want the re-match, so Vitali beat the **** out of him instead, stopping a guy with an iron chin with top survival skills.

 

Probably not among his ten best wins, and I'm being serious. Buddy couldn't box, a reason why he lost as often as he did to no names.

 

Being at your lowest recorded weight isn't "proof" Wladmir was sick. What other evidence do you have aside from speculation? And if the evidence came out after the fight it obviously doesn't count.

Wanting to impress your home town is not a valid excuse. There's a reason why basketball teams often win home games even when they aren't as good as the opposing team. It's a terrible excuse.

Punching yourself out is no one's fault but Wladmir's. He should have either improved his stamina or used a better game plan. No one gave Foreman excuses for his reckless slugging against Ali.

So now you want to bash his trainer too? Fritz Sdunek has a long list of noteworthy boxers he trained. He wasn't incompetent, Wladmir didn't stick to the game plan and tried to simply knock out his opponent. That is not his corner's fault.

 

Name 10 better fighters Wladimir beat.

 

In no particular order:

Byrd
Povetkin
Pulev
Thompson
Haye
Peter
Rhaman
Chagaev
Ibragimov
Brewster

All of the above men were either ranked or alphabet champipns at one point.

If you want some of the big guys, who like Buddy Bear were big and had limited boxing ability, then sub in Wach, Botha, Jefferson, Leapai, or Wolfgram. Wlad didn't lose a round to these types. Add McCLine if you wish, though he had some ability and was ranked. Wlad beat him easily too.

Let's look at Buddy Bear objectively for the moment. He was only rated by Ring Magazine annual rating for two years. That's is and his highest ranking was #6 overall in 1940 a down era for boxing. The other year he was ranked in 1941. That's it.

Obviously Louis was too much for him and Buddy Baer quit boxing after that fight. Prior to Louis he lost to the following men:

[url]Eddie Blunt[/url] 31 -10. Points loss for B. Baer
[url]Gunnar Barlund[/url] 21 - 4- 0 KO LOSS. Barlund was a modest puncher and would finish his career with 30 losses
[url]Andre Lenglet[/url] 23 8 2 Points loss for B. Bear
F[url]ord Smith[/url] 29 10 7 - Points loss for B Bear ( On the undercard of Max Bear vs Joe Louis ) A tough night for the Baer brothers.
[url]Babe Hunt[/url] 87 22 7 - Points loss for B Bear

Five losses to journeyman types, none of whom if you research them had a carrier that arched upwards. Quote the opposite.

The 10 people I listed seldom if ever lost to fighters with these types of records, and if they did it was once or twice, not five times as Buddy Bear did.

Buddy was a big guy who can punch some with a sold chin, nothing more. His best win is likely over Galento, who was near the end of his career when they fought .

I think the above reply is very fair. You asked for ten names and 10. I gave you ten names, and a quick review of who Buddy Baer was, where he was ranked and the journeyman he lost to on points, none of which I think were ranked when they fought Buddy Baer. This is a clear indication he was no boxer at all. Film review will show you this. Buddy did have his 15 minutes of fame, by knocking Louis down and partially out of the ring. The rope sort of summersaulted Louis safely down. Had Louis fallen out of the ring, Buddy Baer might have been the next lineal champion.

I think Wlad would beat Buddy Bear as easily as the other big guys he fought that lacked skills. Could be over quickly inside of 3 rounds.

 

As a fan, I know. What would it mean for you if I could show you he was in fact ill leading up to the fight? The low weight is easy to spot. Just curious.

Boxing isn't basketball. There are time outs in basketball and subs to be brought in No one basket can change an 30 point lead. Trying to hard to impress is infact a way to make mistakes.

The Universum corner did not know what they were doing, and the Wlad himself was very young and arrogant at the time. For example, they had no idea what enswell was and gave some really questionable advise. They had Wlad train for bulk muscle, which isnt a good thing for boxing. Not one time in this fight did they say slow down or box. That was clearly their fault.

When Wlad switched trainers to Steward as his trainer, he developed a much better ring strategy, clinching skills when need and such. As a young prospect, he was a Sonny Liston like destroyer who was never stopped in the amateurs with over a 100 fights. I beleive Wlad was 134-6 as an amateur and won the gold medal at age 20, which is impressive for a super heavyweight

Anyway you could say the corner was learning on the job. A trainer should know his fighter. Not going past 8 rounds as professional and trying to stop a man who's ultra-durable over 12 rounds, when your guy is sick? A better cornerman would say just box the rest of the final rounds, and take the decision. They didn't. A good cornerman or trainer would know his prospect never ent past 8 and stopping Purity won't be easy. The last thing you want your guy to do is punch himself out.

Wlad lost fair in square, but there are many reasons as to why. I think being sick, trying too hard to impress, and lack of corner advice are reasons why.

 

Of course there are reasons why he lost. Losing a fight isn't just something that "happens". Reasons and "excuses" are 2 different things. Wanting to impress your home town is a "reason" he lost but it is NOT a valid excuse. There is no logical argument you can make to claim being in your hometown is a valid excuse, period. Im aware of the differences between boxing and basketball. The point of bringing that up is that universally across all sports (including boxing) it is considered an advantage. You are literally the first person I've spoken to in my entire life who tried to pretend like that is a valid excuse for losing.

I asked You for evidence he was sick. No need to remind me that you're a fan of his, that's as obvious as a giant forehead pimple. Now what evidence do you have that he was sick?

Punching yourself out is, again, part of the reason he lost but it is not a valid excuse. Being overconfident and rushing to stop someone isn't a good one either. There was no foul play, it had nothing to do with the ref, judges, or some underhanded tactic of Purrity. That is all on Wladmir and his lack of cardio. Period. Gassing out is always the fault of the fighter unless something egregious happened like having an asthma attack or inhaling chemicals. If you're in shape and you pace yourself it is far less likely to happen, especially at the world level.

Now if his corner never reminded him to pace himself and encouraged him to keep punching, then yes, that's a valid excuse. But fighting in front of your home town certainly isn't. That's absurd by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Fighters try to impress in front of their home town. That's the way boxing goes. This combined with Wlad not being at a low weight not feeling well the week, of, a rubber man like opponent who very hard to stop and the distance he never went all contributed to the loss. Purrity won fair in square.

I want to know if your opinion will change if I can show you he was ill. I doubt it.