Calzaghe

Nah, not jones jnr level

 

This guy hates Joe.
Roy was a great boxer bet never as good as Joe.

 

No they don't.

Boxing saviour?

Roy was shot. As in, literally shot, unable to compete at the highest level anymore.

How did he embarrass Hopkins?

 

He used to shuffle and goad his opponents.

He did it in plenty of fights.

He did it against Roy, which was a joke considering what he'd said about Roy earlier in the year.

 

Sid,

Let me give you some advice:

STOP talking about things you know nothing about.

No, I don't hate Joe Calzaghe.

Now the thing with guys like you, is that not only don't you know a damn thing about Roy's career, you don't even know everything about Joe's career either.

I watched his ENTIRE career.

Was he a great fighter?

Of course.

Was he greater than Roy?

In 2008 when Roy's tank was empty, sure. We all saw it.

Prime for prime though?

No.

Not at all.

Everyone remembers the Lacy fight etc, whereas I remember his entire career.

People have short memories. He didn't always fight punch perfect fights like he did against Lacy. Some of them were ugly, where he put his head down and was just winging away with horrible technique, leaving his chin exposed. Some of the stoppages were a joke, and the replays showed his poor technique. Go and watch the Manfredo stoppage.

He was never ever as good as Roy was when he was prime. But you don't know that, because you never saw it.

It's laughable to think that Joe was better than the versions of Roy who easily beat Toney, and the ones who crushed Griffin and Hill.

Joe couldn't have lived with a prime Roy. He didn't possess the defence or the confidence required.

You are a casual fan who is blinded by their 2008 circus.

A guy with Joe's leaky defence who was dropped by guys like Kabary Salem, was not going to beat a prime version of Roy Jones.

He defended a lightly regarded WBO belt against mostly C class opposition for a DECADE!

If he'd have thought he could have beaten Roy, he'd have moved up and pursued the fight.

Now go and educate yourself on BOTH of their careers.

Roy was another level, mainly breezing past most of his competition.

Prime Roy was faster, more powerful, more accurate, with more variation and a superior defence.

 

I remember both boxers entire career & I won't be talked down by you,, sorry that's how it is.
You always slate Joe,, fair enough you have a opinion but I will always use my own judgement.
BTW who do you think you are?? your just a member like me on this board.
prime version of Roy Jones was not as good as Joe I believe that,, you don't.
When both faced each other as old men in boxing terms Roy lost.

 

Would you say roy daring to be great moving through weights aged him as a fighter more so than stay at home joe who gave no concessions
Ward was watch and learning from joe

 

It's way too easy to always blame boxers for fights that should have taken place but didn't. So many other factors come into account; networks, promoters and sanctioning bodies to name three.

In the case of this fight, if Ottke insisted he would only fight Calzaghe in Germany - and it's easy to believe that was the case, as apart from one fight he only ever fought there - I can see why Joe would have been reluctant to take it, considering how the judges heavily favoured the German in some of his fights; vs Reid, for example, was an ATG robbery.

Fights not getting made are not always down to s**tbaggery by both boxers.

 

Okay.

I apologise for talking down to you. But you did say:

"This guy hates Joe"

Again, no I don't.

I'm sorry, but from reading your posts, I do not believe that you saw Roy's prime years.

Joe just didn't have the defence to have beaten Roy.

Joe got hit with so many right hands in his career.

Honestly, it was his biggest flaw.

Watch any of his fights. On many occasions, technique went out of the window as he concentrated more on volume rather than accuracy. There were many occasions where he'd literally close his eyes and just wing away.

Go and watch the Kessler fight.

I watched it recently at a friends house.

At one stage, he literally just leant forward and threw his arms with zero technique.

We know he had hand issues, but that doesn't excuse the positioning of his feet etc.

A guy who was dropped by a euro level MW and who went life and death with Robin Reid, would not have beaten Roy in his prime.

Again, I don't believe for a second that you're familiar with Roy's prime.

Answer the following questions with honesty:

Who was faster?

Who had more power?

Who had better technique?

Who had a bigger variety of shots?

Who was the most accurate?

Who had the best timing?

Who had the better defence?

Joe's only advantages were his great chin and his incredible level of fitness.

He was never better than a prime version of Roy.

Go and watch Roy's prime and then come back and tell me that Joe would have beaten him.

I don't care that Roy lost in 2008. It wasn't even Roy. It's like comparing the versions of Mike Tyson who fought Michael Spinks and Lennox Lewis. It was the ghost of Roy Jones. It's completely and utterly irrelevant to this discussion. Glen Johnson had beaten him with ease 4 years earlier, and Danny Green beat him in a round just 12 months after. Now if you really knew of Roy's career, you'd know that's it's not even an exaggeration, to say that they would LITERALLY have been lucky to have taken rounds off of Roy, let alone have beaten him.

No version of Joe was ever beating the versions of Roy from the mid 90's.

Joe was great, but Roy was simply on another level.

Ask yourself why Joe stayed in Europe for 14 years, where he defended a lightly regarded title for a decade, where he fought a guy like Matio Veit TWICE.

He wasn't unlucky with bad promotion.

He wanted it that way.

 

Btw I'd have picked out Mikkel Kessler as a better win than Jeff Lacy as Kessler was a beast to fight @ the time.
Joe had the speed on Roy for me,, this is why Joe wins,also Roy never faced Kessler I wonder why.

 

Yes, I agree with you. Although the Lacy fight was Joe's best performance, the Kessler fight was his best win.

Kessler was a solid fighter. Nothing great though. Certainly no better than the best guys Roy fought.

No, Joe wasn't as fast as Roy. And Roy didn't just have a speed advantage, again, he was far more accurate and far more powerful.

Roy never faced Kessler because by the time Joe faced him in 2007, Roy was only a shell of the guy he'd once been.

The versions of Roy who fought Toney etc would have beaten Kessler with ease.

Stylistically, Kessler was tailor made for Roy.

Please answer my other questions.

 

Who was faster? Joe for me in this one.

Who had more power? Roy but Joe could hold his own when he Faced Chris Eubank Joe lost power over hurt hands.

Who had better technique? This is up for argument Joe for me was better on the inside maybe Roy outside.

Who had a bigger variety of shots? even

Who was the most accurate? Joe as he would have got inside v Roy.

Who had the best timing? This is up for argument not sure.

Who had the better defence? Joe

Who had the better Chin? Joe as he was never stopped.

 

Kessler was a solid fighter & gave Ward a hard fight,,head butts taken out I wonder how things would have turned out.
Btw sorry on calling you a Joe hater.

 

sid,

How so?

Roy had faster hand speed, faster feet and faster reflexes.

True.

Come on now Sid.

This category isn’t even up for debate.

Roy had great technique and used a far more variety of shots.

He threw every punch in the book. He used to regularly throw uppercuts off either hand. He used to double and treble up on hooks, he threw blistering combinations with incredible accuracy, and he used go to the body. He also had great in-fighting skills when he was on the ropes, where he’d manoeuvre himself so he could throw hooks to head and body, with double uppercuts etc.

There’s simply no comparison here.

None whatsoever.

Joe was a volume guy.

The reason he was often called a ‘slapper’ by many people, is because he used to hit guys with the inside of his gloves.

Go and watch Roy’s knockouts of Pazienza, Brannon, Griffin and Hill.

Go and watch Joe’s stoppages, many of which showed horrible technique. The Manfredo one instantly springs to mind.

Sure, he had bad hands. But some of his shots were just plain horrible to watch.

It’s not in any way even.

No disrespect Sid, but this is an absolute joke.

In the words of John McEnroe:

You CANNOT be serious!

Joe’s accuracy rate was very low.

Again, he concentrated more on volume rather than accuracy. There’s many examples where he just used to wing away with little technique.

It’s just not even up for debate.

It really isn’t.

Roy had far better timing.

Sorry Sid, but this is another joke.

Seriously, you can’t be serious here.

Due to Roy’s incredible reflexes and his unorthodox style which was built around his incredible athleticism, he was extremely hard to hit clean. He literally once went a full round without getting hit, and he very rarely lost rounds in his prime.

Joe was always easy to hit. Always. It was his biggest flaw. It’s a good job he had a great chin, because he got hit with so many straight and overhand right hands.

You can see this by literally watching any of his fights.

He was dropped by Byron Mitchell in a careless shootout where he was extremely vulnerable.

He was dropped by Kabary Salem.

He often left his chin extremely exposed.

100%

He had a great chin and he was a tough man.


I’m sorry mate, but I can’t take you serious when reading your above answers.

Some of the things you’ve said are absolutely ridiculous.

Now if you’re telling me the truth and you did watch Roy’s prime, you’ve obviously forgotten all about him.


Roy comes out on top in every category apart from resistance and fitness.

 

We are going to have to agree to disagree as I Don't agree on your answers.
@ 168 no-one is better than Joe on the inside,just watch the way he moves side to side in punching range close in.
Joe defence was very good & he had a great chin when put down,Many on here said Fury chin was no good,but he always got up.

I'd of had my money on Joe to beat Roy @ any time when both were boxing.Some things you say I can take as serious 2.
For me Joe had it all,, he always found away to win & was a class act wether people say slappy or whatever.