Calzaghe aside- who is the GOAT at 168?

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  1. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Andy Flute must be suffering from memory loss then.
     
  2. Serge

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    It's possible he sustained some memory loss during his sparring sessions with Joe. To quote Sir Andy OBE: ''I've never been hit so hard and often''
     
  3. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe was a huge hitter for sure, and great workhorse/brawler, man.
     
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  5. Serge

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    Catley and Matthews went onto become world champions and with a bit of luck Francis (RIP) who was considerably more talented than both (granted Catley could really whack though and so could Matthews) would've too and that's a FACT, btw. I got a healthy and injury free Francis sparking out prime Roid.
     
  6. Bulldog24

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    Francis would've beaten Calzaghe in the pros. He was that good.
     
  7. Serge

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    Disagree about that but he was a real talent and that magical left hand of his would've laid Roid out cold on his back had it connected on that disgusting old lady glass mandible of his and I think it would of.
     
  8. Bulldog24

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    Eubank Sr rated DF very highly after sparring him, telling Sanigar he had as much natural talent as anyone he'd been in the ring with and the best jab he'd ever come across.
     
  9. Serge

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    BEST JAB
    Dean Francis:
    It was a sparring partner, I never fought him in a fight. Dean Francis had a jab that you couldn’t see coming. You couldn’t see it, because he never turned his elbow up. He effectively turned his fist, so you never saw it, it was too quick. It was a beautiful thing to experience, even the pain of them. I wouldn’t put anybody’s jab in front of Dean Francis’ jab.

    BEST DEFENSE
    Dan Schommer:
    He totally had me off my guard and proceeded to give me a boxing lesson. He took one of my teeth out and they gave me the decision for which I apologized, maybe eight years ago. He’s now a successful businessman up in Canada. I found him and apologized for the judges robbing him of that fight. It was in Sun City, South Africa in 1995. You couldn’t hit him. He was always slightly out of range, which is why he was able to pick me off like he did.

    FASTEST HANDS
    Joe Calzaghe:
    I was in a fight where I knew when he dropped me in the first round that I would not get a look in until the 11th or 12th rounds. Five seconds before the bell rang I caught him, and he held on, but I took a real beating. For every one shot I was landing, he was landing four. You can’t beat speed and he had it in abundance.

    BEST FOOTWORK
    Dan Sherry:
    I fought (Sherry) in my first world title defense in Brighton in 1991. He was trained by a fellow, one of the greatest, Sugar Ray Leonard, and his footwork, if I remember correctly, was effective.

    BEST CHIN
    Eduardo Domingo Contreras:
    He was from Argentina. Contreras, by far, had the hardest chin. If you watch that fight, you’ll see what I mean. I dread to think how he is today. He took everything. I was landing with emotion [Laughs].

    SMARTEST
    Schommer:
    His entire act; the way he stood at the press conference, the way he spoke to you. There was nothing about him, he had no cut of a fighter. He was completely disarming. When you watch the fight, you see I get completely outboxed. I got the decision and accepted the decision, at the time, because I was the aggressor. But when you’re being picked off because you’re missing shots, you should not win the fight. I wasn’t being effective.

    STRONGEST
    Nigel Benn:
    If someone was strong, it didn’t matter because strength isn’t what it was about. You can’t beat me with strength. You can only beat me with skill and device. You can’t bully me and beat me, because I was technically competent. Nigel Benn, for instance, in the second round of (fight one), lifted me up in the air. I thought, ‘This guy doesn’t know what he’s doing’ because he doesn’t care about his charge. He’s burnt out a percentage of his charge. When someone’s over you, you always go limp, you never use your strength. That type of bravado is called stupidity. It’s always better to use technique. I’ve said many times before, I wasn’t that good, but I was intelligent.

    BEST PUNCHER
    Benn:
    I’ve never been knocked out, but I came near a couple of times. Johnny Melfah hit me with a shot in the third round at the Albert Hall and I sensed white light. But when Benn hit you, you stayed hit. The impact of the hit stayed with you for at least two-and-a-half seconds. Everybody else, when they hit you, that hit starts dissipating straight away. With Benn, it stayed for like two-and-a-half seconds and obviously, within a split-second, another (punch) would come because he punched in bunches. If you couldn’t hold one, there was no way you were going to hold two, and then it would be three or four. Benn, by far, hit the hardest.

    BOXING SKILLS
    Schommer:
    You couldn’t hit him; he was just slightly out of range. You’ve got to remember, it’s not just boxing skill, it’s also the intellect. Here’s a man who has disarmed you beforehand because he made you think he wasn’t anything special. I have to read another fighter and he’s the only fighter I read wrong. OK, and Joe Calzaghe, obviously. His boxing skill was exemplary. He was able to make me miss and pay. Michael Watson, the performance in the second fight, was comprehensively brilliant. He had taken the advice of the great Mike McCallum who said, ‘The only way to beat Eubank is to stay on him for three minutes of every round’ which I thought was impossible. That’s exactly what (Watson) did.

    BEST OVERALL
    Benn/Michael Watson:
    It’s not fair, it’s not a question I can answer. If I tell you Nigel Benn, Michael Watson did far more to me than Nigel Benn did. Nigel Benn never put me down, but Watson put me down (sic: Benn was credited with a knockdown in fight one, which Eubank contests was a slip). Michael Watson gave me a boxing masterclass for 10-and-a-half rounds, so it’s not fair to ask that question. A man peaks in his life and, that night, September 21, 1991, Michael Watson peaked.

    My favourite Francis performance. Roid actually had Carr in for some sparring over on his ranch/dog and rooster torturing facility and he said he had a really good chin and was able to withstand his roid bombs

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  10. mark ant

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    His fundamentals were better and he landed better shots on Calzaghe than Rocchi landed on Eubank, early on v Chris Rocchi was very negative and just tucked up in a high guard not throwing much.
     
  11. mark ant

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    Fury is far better than Haye and Otke were.
     
  12. mark ant

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    Calzaghe took less shot from Chris than Watson did and he floored him, it was a brilliant knockdown, he out-classed Eubank and displayed faster hands than Watson.
     
  13. mark ant

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    He didn`t struggle with Tim Littles though and he beat Nunn.
     
  14. Bulldog24

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    Francis also blew Starie out of there in the pros, looking far more impressive than Calzaghe did against Starie. Starie had beaten Francis in the 94 ABAs, but Dean was far better suited to the pros.

    He beats Calzaghe, well, the 95-04 Calzaghe. Stops him. He threw every punch in the book effortlessly, left uppercuts etc, so could fully concentrate on the force of them, maximising power. Put them together etc.
     
  15. Bulldog24

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    Yeah the Toney who lost to Tiberi was almost as weight-drained as the Toney who fought Jones!