Prime Hagler vs Prime Canelo

Alvarez isn't going to hurt Hagler; he isn't going to out-speed Hagler; he isn't going to outwork Hagler; he isn't going to outlast Hagler. He neither possesses the punch of Hearns; the footwork of Leonard nor the smarts of Duran.

Canelo can't out-reach Hagler and he isn't going to be defending against 1 or 2 predictably thrown punches at a time. Instead, he's going to be fending off fast, hard and accurate combinations, launched from an armory with a wide selection of weaponry and launch capabilities.

While Canelo might have some success on the counter, it is very unlikely that he's going to win many of the exchanges with Hagler.

So things look fairly bleak for Canelo. He'd take more punishment in this fight than any he's had before and receive a lot of damage, as a result. A stoppage is the most likely outcome.

 

Yeah too big for Canelo. Let's not mistake the guys Canelo has fought since moving to middleweight to Marvin Hagler. GGG is exceptional, but was he a Marvin Hagler? Hagler was a solid middleweight. Between fight weights does not have to do with too much except how much they ate and lack of discipline. Hearns never got past 180 when he was fighting prior to 1987 and for Andries he had to eat more just to get up to light heavyweight. Yet people say he was a natural moving up, which was never true. But Hagler in my mind was the most natural and strong and well balanced middleweight in the last 50 years. Which I think helped him take a punch. He absorbed the shocks well and took it all. Hearns on the other hand was lanky and when he was hit his lanky frame could not absorb it as well, yet he could put more leverage from his height into power.

 

But he is a great guy. I like him. A guy who is always nice and friendly. All we should learn from him

 

Hahah my friend. I disagree...
1. Canelo is fighting today ,he is a mw in a modern era. He walks around 175-180 pounds easily and he is 168-170 on the ring at mw. He is easily bulker than Hagler. In the Hagler era Canelo would have been a legitim full sized middleweight. Hagler today would fight at welter because he was too small for the current mw division.
2. Hearns in fact was drained at welter, he had the frame to make easily the super mw and lhw, simply at these higher classes he would not have the same advantages of height and reach that he had against smaller guys

 

I think Alvarez is faster than Hagler and I think he has plenty of smarts, head movement and lateral movement to make Hagler miss and make him pay.

 

Wow i agree with you again

 

Well I see your points, but Canelo bulkier but not as tight. Marvin was a solid and tight middleweight- Canelo can go up in weight but that doesn't mean he was as solid as Marvin, who was probably most solid middleweight we have had since he was there for mostly all of his pro career, and how his body was balanced, which helped him absorb punches, as well as being southpaw with a 75 inch reach. People forget Marvin's reach. With Hearns he went for broke because not many guys could outjab him like Hearns could, but against Canelo he would sit back and try to jab and bust up Canelo on the inside. Marvin would be stronger. My feeling is Marvin would be totally different than anyone Canelo fought. Stronger and sharper punching, and Canelo's face starts to get red and he would be in a real fight.

Hearns? 154 was his best weight if you look the lack of body fat on him, yet he was healthier looking at 154 than he was at 147 (where he probably had the low body fat but was almost too thin) and where at 147 he was still in my mind a little inexperienced. If we look at Hearns at 168 he really was not too solid there. Against Kinchen and Olajide he looked a little soft, and against Hill at 175 and Barkley he was also a little soft, yet had smaller legs. Remember, against Ray in 1989 that was for the 168 title, but he came in at 162 1/2 as the weight was set at 164 so Ray could weaken Tommy. I personally think had Tommy stayed at 160 after he beat Roldan and kept fighting there his power would have come on as it did at 154. He just started to move up and down too much and that messed with his body.

 

It is the guys Canelo fought. And he has fought good guys. Jacobs, GGG- and washed up Kovalev did not mean that much in my mind. They are still no way a Marvin Hagler level. Marvin was very determined.

 

I agree that hagler for his size was a strong man a great athlete and built very solid his bone structure but i would say that Canelo is naturally bulker and heavier. And you can argue that Canelo is the faster man too. I am not saying who would win for sure but cmon... It is a hard fight for both men.

 

I think Canelo fares better than most think. He's quite skilled imo. I think he'd do better than GGG against Hagler.

 

Of course. A lot better than GGG would do

 

the problem of many people is the fanaticism and the adoration of certain untouchable icons. no one will tarnish the legacy of legends like Ali, Robinson, Louis, Hagler,
Marciano, Dempsey, Greb etc but people must accept that h2h they could sometimes lose ... on this forum if you argue against certain figures you will automatically be accused of not knowing about boxing. Gentlemen, open your minds and mature, I am prepared and open to admit that Tyson Fury could be a bad night for my idol Foreman , however in legacy Fury is nowhere near him

 

GGG is an all time great win and arguably better than anything on Hagler's resume. I'm not saying Alvarez necessarily wins, but I think it's a closely contested fight

 

Hagler. Easily.

 

Hey JT - I agree he'd do better than Golovkin - for a while, at least. But, Golovkin has greater durability than Canelo, in my opinion, and would last longer, even if he didn't look as good in doing so.

Canelo could look like he's doing ok in the early going but, he's going to be falling off rapidly, shortly after the mid-rounds. He's not going to be able to cope with the sustained pressure of a prime, elite Middleweight, over a championship distance, from what I've seen.