Would a prime Mike Tyson be as dominate as he was if he had boxed in the 1970`s?

Fair assessment. I think, though, that Mike would be able to handle Foreman's power, at least for a few rounds. I mean, he went 19 rounds against Ruddock and ate Razor's best bombs like grapes. Ruddock wasn't a great fighter but he had top-notch power with that left hook/uppercut. I'm just not sure that Foreman would be able to handle Tyson's power. Lyle was the only one Foreman fought who had two-fisted power equal to Tyson's and Ron nearly had George out of there. Lyle didn't have the speed, finesse nor defensive skills of Tyson, and he still had success in hurting Foreman. I see Tyson bombarding Foreman with fast, accurate combinations and stopping him in the early-to-mid rounds. No doubt Tyson would get tagged with some devastating shots, but I think he weathers the storm and outbombs Big George.

Once again, just my honest opinion. I know it goes against popular opinion here picking Tyson in this fantasy matchup, but I'm not doing it to be a contrarian.

 

Thanks! Totally agree with you.

 

Dumbass comments!
First Ruddock was overrated and it is stupid to compare him with Foreman in every stupid way!
Ruddock is not even close to Lyle power but Foreman?
Ruddock is a chinny and built his name on two Tyson fights!He was stopped by Morrison in 6 and by Lewis in 3 rounds!He was beaten by Jaco whom Foreman beat in 1st round!
Foreman>Lyle>Old Foreman>Ruddock!
Tyson stupid fans still compared Foreman power with bum Ruddock to convince themselfs he could beat Foreman!Lyle had better chin and better ratio against better competition and that was weak minded Foreman!
Some here also said Tyson chin is equal to Frazier and also his stamina?
Chin?He was knocked 5 times and never got up to win!2 of them were good fighters 3 were bums!
Frazier was knocked down twice!By Bonavena and by Foreman!But he was never counted!Frazier also fought in better era so his chin not only fought better man but his record is better and never loss by KO!
How Tyson stamina is good?Because he went 10 rounds with Tillis(22 losses and stopped twice in first round by Spoon and Morrison) and went 12 rounds with journeyman Tucker and almost died from exhaustion!(Rooney struggled to cool him down)!
He was gassed against Douglas,Holyfield and Lewis after 5 rounds!
Se he once went 12 and almost died from exhaustion and was gassed after 5 rounds in fight!And some stupid Tyson fans said he had better stamina because once he fought 12 rounds than Frazier who fought 10 times 12 rounds and 3 times 15 rounds!
I knew Tyson fans are stupid but that stupid?Even they said Tyson could handle Foreman power but Foreman couldn't Tyson??Not only Foreman had better power than Tyson but his chin was proven unlike Tyson!Better say Tyson chin couldn't take Tyson power!
How much times Foreman was knocked and by who?
Speed?Speed is advantage against Foreman only if you are tall and have reach and could box him and that even Cus said!
Speed or not, you are death if you come at Foreman!

Tyson fans pulled Lyle but forgott Lyle was bigger than Tyson and stroner man!Weak minded Foreman also won that fight!
What about Buster Douglas?He is not Lyle but he won!
Dou you think Tyson power is so bigger than Frazier?Dou you think Tyson could take those punches and land that hook?That not only showed Frazier had equal power but better stamina and chin!

 

Wut. That was a tough read, but to address some of your points (I'm not going point by point through this ramble):

Firstly, how was Ruddock not as powerful as Lyle? How many fighters did Lyle render unconscious with one shot? Ruddock did it against Smith, who had a fairly good chin, and Michael Dokes, who was more than durable. How are you measuring Lyle's power and what makes it greater than Ruddock's?

Secondly, how was Tyson's chin not proven? He endured prolonged beatings from the likes of Douglas and Lewis and went down only in the later rounds with massive shots. Sounds like a decent set of whiskers to me. Also, he withstood shots from the likes of Bonecrusher Smith and Frank Bruno, who were hardly feather fists.

The whole notion that Tyson would get destroyed by Foreman is based purely on the Frazier fight. Frazier was a great fighter but he lacked many of the tools Tyson had, including but not limited to lightning-fast speed, two-fisted power, immense combination punching, and a fast start. If you don't think any of these traits will hinder Foreman's performance at all then I don't know what to tell you.

I appreciate your response, though, despite it being an eyesore.

 

Also, you're right that Douglas was not Lyle. Douglas displayed more skill in the Tyson fight than Lyle ever did in his entire career. Hardly a ring general, that Ron Lyle. I mean, how smart is it to trade with a monstrous puncher like Foreman?

 

Here are facts that show Lyle was better than Ruddock!
Ruddock Ko ratio 60.78%
Lyle KO ratio is 63!
Ruddock not only fought weaker era but didn't beat any HOFamer!
Ruddock fought Lewis,Morrison,Jaco,Tyson,Weaver,Page,Smith,Dokes
Lyle fought Ali,Foreman,Quarry,Cooney,Shavers,Young,Bonavena...
Ruddock best wins?Decisioned old Weaver,stopping ancient Smith,Spoon and Page!He got stopped by bum Jaco,green Lewis and AiDs Morrison!
Lyle?Beat prime Shavers,Bonavena,Bugner,Ellis,Mathis... He wasstopped by Foreman,Ali and Cooney(when he was like 40 years old)!

Lyle was outpointed by Quarry and Young!
Lyle fought better competition,more prime fighters and won big fights!

Did Ruddock in his prime stopped or fought anyone who hit as Shavers?I don't think so!
Ruddock was stopped by Jaco whom Foreman and Morrison anhiliated!Lyle was stopped by best fighters!
And about Ruddock...he was knocked by almost everyone!Morrison,Tillis,Lewis..
Ruddock is the most overrated guy in history. He built his name with 2 loses with tyson. He got destroyed by any prime puncher that he fought like morrison and lewis( i know i know the excuse will be that he was in his peak in 1991 and then he was shot in 1992. Laughable).
Until 1984 he weighed under 200 pounds even in the 180s . he not just lost to a bum like david jaco but he could not stop him in 8 rounds .
He won a ****PY SD AGAINST A 35 YEARS OLD WEAVER.
All he did was beating A SHOT MICHAEL DOKES( IN HIS PRIME WAS NOT A GREAT THING).
And Beating a fat 36 years old James smith Who was very very close to knock
Him the **** out. A prime smith destroys him no question about it.
Ruddock was nothing special. He is built up by Tyson fans to make it seem like Tyson beat somebody good in his prime. That being said he fought all heavyweights and I mean true heavyweights
He could not even KO china chinned Morrison but Tyson fans live in delusion that he would knock Iron chinned heavies from 70s!
Lyle is

 

Douglas only was not powerful as Lyle but he is chinny man!
Did you ever see Lyle stopped in 3 rounds by ex cruiser Holyfield?I don't think so!Douglas brawl with Tyson and beat him to the punch!Lyle showed great skills in fight with Shavers and Quarry and atleast they were much better than Douglas!
Lyle would be not intimidated by Tyson and had better chin and power than Douglas!
Douglas also unlike Lyle didn't have any notable win!Yea he is not Lyle!

 

That’s all absolutely legitimate comment we’re talking Mike Tyson here, he’s a genuine pick against any heavyweight ever.
The question is can he get into mid range where he was at his most devastating without walking onto those long extended uppercuts. It’s not as though Foreman delivered those uppercuts on the inside, they were delivered from long range, and with clubbing power.
Prime Tyson had good upper body and head movement if he evades those shots or manages to walk through them which I think is unlikely then his speed and power can no doubt give Foreman all the trouble he can handle.

 

Bruno=feather fisted,svared and had weak chin!Comparing him to Lyle or Foreman is stupid!
Bonecrusher?Weak power and weak chin!He only survived Tyson because Tyson is more hyped puncher than he really was!Bonecrusher Smith was knocked in first round by ancient Joe Bugner who was 50 years old,50 years old Holmes in 8 rounds and James Broad in 4 rounds!
Comparing anyone with strongest boxer and one of the best chin in the boxing called Foreman is stupid!
And about Tyson!Tyson maybe had better combination and a little more power but...his chin is unproven against real guys and he showed lack of chin,mental confidence and stamina against weak fighters!Frazier chin was proven!
Frazier had better bobing and weaving and slipping punches!
Prove me wrong!Tyson weaving stops after 4 rounds while Frazier had constant weaving for 15 rounds showed he had much better defense!Also Frazier left hook was faster and more constant!Tyson just punches combinations and hold unlike Frazier who allways just keep coming and never stop with throwing punches and bobing and weaving!
Tyson reach disvantage would not allow him to fire that combinations!And then he would hold and Foreman would just push him and when he start bobbing he would catch him with uppercut!
Frazier was bigger man in height and reach than Tyson and still couldn't find Foreman head!Tyson combinations would not work and holding is suicidale against Foreman!

 

I never said Ruddock was better than Lyle. I have no problem saying Lyle was better than Ruddock as an overall fighter. What I'm questioning is your statement that Ruddock's power was nowhere near Lyle's. What is your evidence of this? Which Lyle knockouts come close to the Ruddock-Dokes or Smith KO's? Which durable fighters did Lyle render unconscious with one shot? You have not answered this. You've just gone on another ramble based on something I didn't even say. Fix up.

 

Bruno a feather fist? Uh, whatever you say there, partner.

You're right, Frazier's chin was immaculate. Pure freakin' granite. That punch Ali wobbled him with in the second fight would have toppled skyscrapers. And you're also right about his defense -- the man rarely took a clean shot. Ali, Quarry, Foreman, Mathis, etc. had barely any luck at all at landing on Joe. Tyson's defense, on the other hand, was sorely lacking in comparison. Tucker, for example, had no issues at all landing on Mike -- his 40% landing percentage in their fight is proof of that.

 

All good points. The intricacies of this fantasy match-up make it quite fascinating. It's one of the reasons it's been a hotly contested argument amongst boxing scribes for so long.

 

Lyle knocked prime Shavers,Ramos,Johnson,Mathis and Kirkman!
Those are much more durable guys than anyone who Ruddock ever fought!
Also Dokes and Smith you allways pulled were much,much past their primes!
Did Dokes and Smith have equal power or chin of people I mentioned?I don't think so!And Shavers and Mathis are HOFamers and Dokes and Smith who were old were just joruneymans and contenders in weak era od boxing!Old Shavers was not stopped by young Holmes and prime Smith was stopped by past prime granpda Holmes!
Do the math and you will see that Lyle is more proven and his power also than Ruddock!

 

Bruno was feather fisted!He could not put a dent on old Bugner!Ask Bugner who hit the hardest!He didn't even mentioned Bruno who fought weak ere and lost against every good puncher!
Ali wobbled Frazier?I only saw Frazier knocked Ali down!Ali never had the power to shock Frazier just to tire him!
Quarry and Mathis didn't bother Frazier!I remmembered Frazier knock both of them!Only Quarry was a brave man who showed that he could fight!
Mathis didn't even had power to gave Frazier any problem!And Mathis son who is nothing like his father gave Tyson problems I remmember!
I only saw Tyson chin being touched by journeyman Douglas and washed cruiserweight Holyfield!
That says all!
I also remmember Tucker fought with broken hand from sparing and almost knocked Tyson with uppercut before judge separated them when Tyson started to hug!
And I also remmember that one handed Tucker gave Tyson hell and talk nice after fight while Tyson almost collapsed fromexhaustion!

 

Whatever is mentioned about Bruno’s shortcomings and there were a few, I’ve never ever heard anyone describe him as feather fisted.
Ali wobbled Frazier several times in their 3 fights.