Top 5 British and Irish super middleweights of all time?

Calzaghe
Froch
Collins
Eubank
Benn

Seems about right to me

 

Collins fought Mike McCallum, sumbu kalambay and Reggie Johnson too. People today don't realise just how good they were. They were absolutely elite level boxers, and they only narrowly beat Steve, apart from maybe McCallum. All 3 said Collins was an absolute nightmare for them. All three would probably beat Benn and eubank relatively easily.
For example McCallum beat Watson far far easier than he beat Collins.

 

Wtf are you talking about LOL

Andre Ward, Mikkel Kessler x 2, Lucien Bute, Jermaine Taylor, Arthur Abraham, Jean Pascal, George Groves x2, Andre Dirrell, Glen Johnson, Robin Reid

Frochs list of opposition and resume is ****ing unreal! And he beat all of them apart from Ward! Theres no shame in one loss to the P4P number 1! And btw 2 of the judges had it 115-113.

No one in British history has faced top class opposition back to back the way Froch did, and he beat almost all of them. True warrior and legend.

 

They were solid fighters, but were not on Ward's level.


Neither of them had the power to even make Andre think.


Both would drop comfortable decisions to Ward at 168. Kalambay indeed is such an unknown quality at the weight, the debate would be if he makes it the distance...

 

In terms of OVERALL ability and achievements -Herol Graham is a bum in comparison to Carl Froch!

Talking about the era - you mean that era when the ex Soviet Union countries couldn't turn pro and the Cubans couldn't turn pro lol. Boxing was almost a domestic American sport back then.

Herol Graham was MULTI FLAWED. He lost at every level he fought. He got knocked out in a British title fight to a nobody, lost in a European title fight, lost in all his world title fights. He always somehow found a way to lose, he was a loser.

He didn't have the chin, toughness, and power Froch had. Hence why Froch was so much more successful than him. You have to have the overall package to be succesful and Graham was lacking. He just wasn't good enough.

 

@ryback You called Kovalev 'Euro level' .prime Kovalev was one of the most brutal beastly fighters Ive ever seen . Mikkel Kessler was an excellent fighter. Pascal -top fighter Bute, Taylor, Abraham Dirrell etc all top fighters.

You hate Froch with a passion .theres no point in engaging I'll be blocking you soon

Herol was mentally weak, chinny, feather fisted.
Froch would'e knocked Herols glass jaw clean out. Froch almost always found a way to win, herol always found a way to lose.

 

Frank Grant for the British title was 'the best of the best' was he

Graham got knocked out by the one and only Frank Grant!!!

 

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My favourite KO ever. Timber!!!

 

Classy guy arent you

Might rewatch Froch Groves 1

 

There's always some excuse. Getting KO'd In a British title fight to a nobody is just embarassing for someone so hyped by some. There's 0% chance Froch or Calzaghe would have ever lost to someone of that level, put it that way.

Herol lost 6 times and got knocked out 3 times. He had numerous world title chances and he lost them all. He doesn't have any real notable wins. Look at a list of Frochs best wins then look at Herols best wins -No comparison!

He was no old time great like Ken Buchanan.It's good to just be honest and admit he just wasn't good enough, something was missing. At least admit he didn't have the chin for the top level.

You say he couldn't compete with the top guys in his weight class because it was strong. Well imagine if the Russians and Ukrainians had been able to turn pro. And there was Oleg Saitov there and loads more.. he'd have been even further down the pecking order.

Herol was mentally weak. His battles with mental health have been well documented after his retirement. I think that played a role in his fights, because he always found a way to lose.

 

Might rewatch Froch Groves 1

Froch found a way to win that fight

Herol Graham found a way to lose that fight.

Greatness is defined by WINS.

 

Herol was a nearly man. He's like the boxing version of Tim Henman

 

Hahaha you really are a laughable deluded dumb ass troll with a racist agenda.

Soviet union fighters of all ages have been kicking your precious slick USA fighters throughout history in the amateurs.
The whole pro boxing game would have been different had they been able to turn pro. They would have been a major force. Someone like Graham wouldn't have had a look in.

Like I said in terms of overall ability Froch was a different league to Herol. And obviously Froch achieved everything Herol failed to do . Unified world champ, in the P4P top 10, ,fighting in front of 80,000 at Wembley to end his fine career with a highlight reel KO. He had a career Herol could only dream of.

Herol choked in all his big fights. He didn't have a good chin , he left his chin up in the air. He wasn't the full package. If he was as good as you claim he would have found a way to win in at least one of those world title fights. You overrate him massively when he was just a ****ing nearly man LOL. All the British greats such as Calzaghe and Buchanan were great ALL ROUND fighters. Herol was missing things, hence why he always found a way to lose.


Putting you on ignore now

 

Thought I'd make a little comeback after a few years just out the blue. Not visited this site or posted for years!

How many 'world' title belts are there today? Really?

Anyone can win an alphabet belt pretty much. Especially if you have a powerful prompter like Eddie Hearn and get lucky, gift stoppages or whatever.

Back when there was NO super-middleweight and NO cruiserweight division etc and only two world titles - - one WBC and one WBA and that's it nothing else, Carl Froch would be Central Area Light Heavyweight Champion.

Dennis Andries would've out lasted him in a war between limited fighters, stronger better genes etc.

Carl was a fab domestic modern pro star etc but couldn't tie the boot laces of Tony Sibson or the Finnegans. Let's have it right, lads.


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As for some poster talking to himself and abusing/bullying Herol Graham who probably reads this board, and who fought the very best and was avoided like the actual plague, and who sadly suffers from suicidal tenancies and will be in great hardship during a time like this, I suggest you take a long hard look at your insecure self and ask if you've achieved a fraction in your life/career up to what a hero to so many of us did.