Margocheato or Margoframed? Robert Garcia exonerates Margarito!

ABSOLUTE Bull Feces!! Mayweather is, was & always will be just a boxer blessed with incredible natural boxing talent BUT cursed by not getting the cojones he needed to be a bonafide great. He was actually also a worthless POS woman beating coward. He let the Vegas corruption keep his bogus 0 intact by every means possible Legal & illegal
Cheating all the time along the way. We all saw him LOSE 4 or 5 fights at least but corruption saved his cowardly ass every time. I know it You know it, Heck EVERYONE knows it

 

You talking pure nonsense. You know damn well that matchups are about styles.

Hearns starched Duran but couldn't beat Barkley. Duran beat Barkley.
Vernon Forrest twice dominated Mosley, but yet Mayorga dominated Forrest.

Mayweather isn't a volume puncher which may have been costly vs Margarito because simply Margarito throws and throws without a care in the world if they're hitting its target, he's just letting them land anywhere, chest, arms, elbows, eventually those small percentages that land start to take its toll just like it did Miguel Cotto.
…….and unlike Mosley, Mayweather doesn't punch hard enough to keep Margarito honest and off of him.


…….and check this statistic out not that you brought up Pacquiao vs Marquez and related it to Mayweather.

Marquez-Pacquiao - 41 rounds fought, zero clinches in ****ing 41 rounds.

Mayweather-Pacquiao - 12 rounds fought and close to 100 ****ing clinches all initiated by the alleged master boxer. LOL!

 

Triangle theories typically don't work in boxing except when youre talking about pbf who's the exception and not the rule. Jmm beat pac and pac beat but neither could beat pbf he schooled both of them. He beat mosely and pac both of which beat the **** outta margo. So with pbf i can make these assumptions because he's never been beaten and matches up favorable with margo.

What you fail to realize is that you dont need to be a volume puncher to beat margo. You need to have good stamina be a accurate puncher which pbf was a ring general and force margo to fight your fight which pbf was a master at doing. He would reduce Margo's workrate by not being there to be hit getting off first and moving away or countering margo. He can and will do this against him. Nothing suggests that he wouldn't or couldn't.
Lastly whst did i tell you about having power to keep him off? What did pea whitaker have to keep off jcc when he schooled him??? When will you learn?

Pbf dominated both pac and jmm so i have no idea why you're bringing that up. It doesnt help your argument.

 

Doesn’t change the fact that a shot to bits old Shane Mosley absolutely wrecked Margarito and knocked him out and had him wanting to quit in the fight. Margarito is an absolute disgrace. The guy was a walking punching bag with zero skills. None.

 

Let me explain something to you nuthugger. PBF would win every second of every round against your flat footed and slow hero. It would be a massacre. Would pretty much look like a welterweight version of what Vitali Klitschko did to another slow flat footed Mexican with no skills in Chris Arreola.

 

The exception to what? Who's the best fighter Mayweather ever beat? Don't give me Pacquiao who had already been put to sleep by Marquez.
You see, you cant be talking crap about Mayweather being this and that when the man never did face a great fighter near his prime.

…..and yes, I agree with you, you don't have to be a volume puncher to beat Margarito in his prime, but not being a volume puncher it would help if he had punching power which Mayweather didn't.

…..and the reason I made the comparison about Marquez not getting into a single vs Pacquiao in 4 fights compared to the numerous times Mayweather need to clinch a past it Pacquiao of all things is to prove that Mayweather's boxing skills in its true unadulterated form isn't as good as you would like to believe. The fact that he felt the need to get himself into countless number of clinches against Pacquiao proves it.
If Mayweather is as good boxistically as you claim, why in hell did he need to clinch Pacquiao to Nauseum throughout the 12 rounds?
Anytime Pacquiao attacked, here came the clinch.

Margo didn't match up favorable to Mayweather and he knew that which is why the name Margarito never was mentioned by Mayweather when Margarito was at the top of his game.

 

Canelo and pac are the two best fighters he beat, both wins that helped hin get fighter of the decade so yes they were high quality wins.

Pbf didnt need 4 fights with pac to beat him and pbf didnt need 4 fights with jmm never beating him clearly like pac did. You see theres levels to this and pbf proved to be a level above these two.

How in the hell is a guy with slow hands and feet with no jab who's wide open with no timing a bad styles match up for a complete fighter like pbf? It makes no sense . Margo is too slow for pbf and not skillfull enough to make up for his lack of speed he gets schooled. Just stop!

 

There it is the reason he didn't want a fight with Margarito. I believe May would of been booed for running against the bigger Margie. His daddy will probably be yelling at him to stop fighting scurred.

Margarito would have kept coming at that kid and land some shots and Void wont be smiling at all.

 

How are you sure? the kid was scurred to fight Tijuana Tornado and there is a good reason.

 

What is the real reason he ducked Margarito? and chose to fight some below his weight class and some old men not fight the big prime welter at the time with a granite chin?

The is a reason he stutters when Margo was around him and looking behind his back.We want to know why, ASAP!

 

I posted this earlier but you chose to ignore it
Way before this you do realize pbf agreed to fight margo when both were with arum dont you?

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there. Sometimes, my man, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em. We'll talk about things down the road."

Pbf wanted arum to try and make the oscar fight and arum said no. Arum low balled pbf on fights with hatton cotto and margo. Pbf left arum and made more money by doing so. He didn't duck that bum just like he didn't duck hatton or cotto. If margo had kept wining they would have ended up fighting down the road like he did with the other 2 but he didnt he was exposed.

 

Really, lets toss out Pacquiao in that he had already been drowned my Marquez and lets not forget Mayweather's laughable "TUE" going into that fight. I think its best to scratch that fight as even so, that wasn't Mayweather's finest moment. In fact he didn't look like a world class fighter against even that Pacquiao.


Canelo? Better than Delahoya, Cotto, Mosley, and Marquez?????
Well guess what, I agree with you, Canelo is the best fighter Mayweather ever faced but imo that's doesn't really speak well of the caliber of opposition Mayweather has faced throughout his career.
Not that Mayweather's caliber of opposition is bad, but the other guys mentioned were already on the downside of their careers, and Marquez was not only older but a fighter fighting two weight past his own.
When you consider that, even a young still learning his trade Canelo Alvarez was Mayweather's best opposition.

Now if not outright saying, you keep insinuating Mayweather is a special breed a fighter like he's tested himself against the best of opposition. You really do rate Mayweather amongst the best of all time, but ask yourself this...…..how would you rate that Canelo against other great fighters who've fought between 147 - 154 lbs???? You know, the likes of Leonard, Duran, Benitez, Hearns, not to mention Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Jose Napoles, you get the picture.
Would you say the 23 year old Canelo that fought Mayweather is even in their league????

I rest my case!!!!

 

This controversy (Margarito loaded his gloves or not) has been discussed /argued in this forum for a hundred times already. It seems not come to an end. Many people believe that Margarito was innocent while many believe that he's guilty. For me, I believe the latter and nobody could still answer my question " If Margarito was innocent then why didn't he and his team protest that 1 year ban imposed by the State Commission?" Why did they comply with it?

 

Because he was guilty of using a used pad in his wraps, which is against the rules, and reason enough for a suspension. He was not guilty of using plaster, or “loading” his gloves, which the ignorant keep repeating. Now someone has answered your question, now you can choose not to remain ignorant.

 

You missed the initial post of this thread which I started.
Both Margarito and his trainer Javier Capetillo come from very poor uneducated backrounds. For anyone that speaks Spanish and have seen either Margarito and Capetillo speak, they don't have a very high education level and they don't have a way with words even to the point of defending themselves in their own language.

Capetillo for example was shocked that lab results came up that the knucklepads came up that they had elements in them that when combined with oxygen make up plaster. Notice how the lab worded it. They really didn't outright come out and say the knucklepads were smeared with plaster.
The sad part about the whole situation to me is that the person associated with Margarito didn't hire a credible lawyer to defend them. Bob Arum only cares a rats ass about himself and nobody else. Arum being Margarito's promoter should have provided him and Capetillo adequate representation.
Margarito and Capetillo really went into the CSAC hearings without represention thinking they were going to be aquitted of any wrong doing.

I'm thinking this, and I'm certain the CSAC or anyone involved would even care to think about such a thing.
Javier Capetillo stated the the knucklepads were nothing but used knucklepads that had been previously used in the Gym to
hit the heavybag.
If I had any part with the CSAC, when Margarito's knucklepads came back from the lab to have elements that when combined with oxygen make up plaster, I would have done an experiment by having a fighter from the gym wear the same knucklepad in the gym over and over multiple times and I would have sent those knucklepads to the same lab to be tested knowing nobody smeared plaster on them.
I honestly and truthfully think the lab would have find those experimental knucklepads to contain the same elements Margaritos knucklepads were found to have contained.
To this day, Javier Capetillo mantains the knucklepads were nothing but used pads and that the only reason he made a mistake not inserting fresh unused knucklepads on Margarito's handwraps was because Nazim Richardson from the very beggining was whining and complaining and objecting to everything Capetillo would do while wrapping Margarito's hands.
Richardson had complained about how Capetillo was wrapping Margarito's hands numerous times even before it was time for Capetillo to insert the knucklepads over Margarito's knuckles.
As Capetillo has mantained to this day, Richardson had me so rattled, I did'nt even catch that I had picked up used knucklepads from my bag.
Seeing and hearing Capetillo speak about it, and knowing how obnoxious and the way Richardson has a history of exaggerating and overblowing anything and everything, I believe Javier Capetillo. Not a shred of doubt in my mind.