Michalczewski HOF worthy?

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  1. RightLeftCombo

    RightLeftCombo Active Member Full Member

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    Yes, Dariusz Michalczewski was a really good fighter at his best, unified belts, long reign as champ. He's HOF worthy.
     
  2. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes. The biggest reason people won't vote him in is because he didn't fight Roy Jones.
    To be fair, the blame was equal on both parts.
    It was an ego thing, no one wanted to play the B side on that fight. Both were champions or at least title holders.
    He's also probably Poland's greatest fighter.
    There are plenty of fighter with worst resumes that are the HoF. Let the man in.
     
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  3. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Please explain. I don't understand the content.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    No disrespect to anyone, but I think that lesser fighters have gotten in.

    I’d expect him to get in at some point.

    It’s been 15 years since his retirement though.
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Roy would have fought him in the U.S. he just wouldn’t go to Germany.
     
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  6. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    Im gonna go watch me some DM ;)
     
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  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It’s not as straightforward as that.

    Before beating Hill for those titles, Dariusz had defended his WBO belt numerous times.

    Back then, the WBO wasn’t at all respected.

    It wasn’t one of the big four organisations like it is today.

    It was often ridiculed by fighters and members of the media.

    It wasn’t needed to become an undisputed champ, respected writers like Thomas Hauser had no respect for it, and the Ring magazine didn’t have ratings for it.

    Most of the main organisations of the time didn’t want their champions to be associated with the WBO.

    Other champions of that time were also stripped of their titles, for not relinquishing their WBO belt.

    Now Dariusz and his advisors simply had to have know that. They couldn’t not have know that. Especially as Dariusz’s promoter, Klaus Peter Kohl, is/was an astute businessman, who also promoted other WBO champions over the years.

    The WBO were founded in the late 80’s, by disgruntled ex employees of the WBA. They broke away to form the organisation after various disputes. So the WBA in particular, were never going to want their champions to hold a WBO belt alongside of their own.

    Whilst I can definitely see how many people would think that what happened to him was highly unfair, again, he must have known going into his fight with Hill what would happen if he didn’t relinquish his belt was he to win the bout.

    After he beat Hill, he didn’t need the WBO belt. So the following questions have to be asked:

    Why didn’t he relinquish the WBO belt straight away?

    Why would he have wanted to keep it?

    Looking back, Dariusz never seemed fazed by being stripped. He appeared quite content to defend his lightly regarded WBO title in Germany for decent money, against mostly B and C class opposition. He did it for years where he never ventured outside of Europe.
     
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  9. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Yeah I would say he should be in, a couple of quality names in between some average contenders.

    only lost twice at 35 by SD and 37 tko.

    shame he never fought Jones like many have commented
     
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  10. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He definitely deserves to be inducted into the HOF much more than Arturo Gatti. Good fighter with some very good wins. One on the hardest punchers in the history of LHW division. Scored some really brutal knockouts, his left hook was a thing of beauty

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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    'The one fighter who might provide Jones with a test is Michalczewski, the World Boxing Organization champion and onetime owner of two of Jones' belts before being stripped of them.

    But don't hold your breath for that fight to happen anytime soon.

    "Not for the money they are offering," says Jones, who doesn't deny he wants $10 million for the bout. Michalczewski promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl reportedly has offered Jones $5 million.

    "I deserve to be in with better guys, but I also deserve to be paid well," Jones says. "If they pay me, I'll be in there with Dariusz. I don't want to fight the Richard Halls, Antonio Tarvers or Eric Hardings. What have they done to deserve to fight Roy Jones?"

    "Let him fight in the U.S. on TV a couple of times so people can become familiar with him. I don't even know if he's good enough to beat the American fighters at the top of the rankings. I'm in the spot he wants to be in. I'm No. 1. I'm the one in charge.

    "I'm a businessman. I didn't get where I am being a damn fool .It ain't hard to interest me. Pay me right, you've got a fight. Who don't know that about Roy Jones?"

    The prospects for a Dariusz Michalczewski bout are "$20-25 million to fight him in Germany. After what happened in Korea, that's what I need. He barely beat Richard Hall. They can say linear all they want to. Who got a win over James Toney, Reggie Johnson, Vinny Pazienza, and Hopkins? He don't wanna fight these guys.'

    Pay close attention to this quote because Roid shoots himself in the foot big time

    "Hopkins asking for 10 million is the best way to say no without saying no, you dig?' Jones concluded. "But nobody will write that. Why do Roy got to be the one to give everybody a chance and help them make money?"

    --Roid Jones

    But when Roy does the same with other fighters it's a completely different story. He's actually saying yes when he prices himself out, right? :lol:

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    Roy wanted a king's ransom to go over to fight a guy in Germany who he ''didn't know was good enough to beat the American fighters at the top of the rankings'' and who was ''barely able to get past Richard Hall'', a fighter Roy literally toyed with all night and beat with contemptuous ease? lol

    He didn't want to fight in Europe because he was robbed in Asia as an amateur? :lol:

    DM himself had been robbed as amateur when fighting an American over in the US as have god knows how many foreigners

    He didn't want to go over there to fight DM and get robbed even though he'd seen his countryman Virgil Hill (a fighter he'd knocked out in four rounds) head over there and come away with a close decision, one that I wasn't alone in thinking at the time was controversial (although to be fair I haven't seen it for a very long while) over the insanely popular unbeaten German ''Golden Boy'' Henry Maske whose popularity in Deutschland rivaled that of a pint of bear and watching football?

    Indigenous German Maske was a hell of a lot more popular over there than Polish born DM was but funny how those evil Germans who obviously would've had a fair amount of Korean blood coursing through their veins didn't rob Roy KO victim Virgil Hill when he went over there. Roid was obviously well aware of that too.

    This is how popular Maske was in Germany.

    "The German boxing business really started in 1992 when my dad did the deal for [German boxer] Henry Maske with [TV channel] RTL," insists Kalle Sauerland, whose father Wilfred kept the business ticking over for 15 years before the Maske deal. "There are three people responsible for boxing in Germany: Wilfred Sauerland, Henry Maske and Hans Mahr of RTL because he took the risk and it looked like a risk at the time." Maske went on and had 12 world title fights between 1993 and 1996 and averaged 17.8m viewers, with a peak at 23m.

    "When Henry boxed it was like a national holiday," remembers Sauerland

    They used to call Maske the ''Michael Jordan of Germany'' over there for goodness sake!

    Maske vs Hill was a unification match up with both Hill's WBA belt and Maske's IBF one on the line and obviously a huge event for German boxing (it was the most expensive one in German boxing history).

    MUNICH, GERMANY. On the evening of Saturday, November 23th, Germany`s Henry Maske and Virgil Hill from the USA were scheduled to meet in the ring for the unification of their IBF & WBA Light Heavyweight world titles. Maske had planned this to be his farewell match (`My greatest dream is to retire as an undefeated world champion.`). As usual, a whole bunch of stars and wannabe-stars were showing up at ring-side, surrounded by patriotic fans on the cheaper places. The rest of the nation was at home watching TV, where the fight was not broadcasted but celebrated.

    Maske was also highly accomplished amateur who'd brought back gold medals in the Olympics, the world amateur championships (and also a silver too), and three golds from the European championships. He was revered like a god over there. He was also undefeated as a pro with (30) with 10 world title fights under his belt.

    Maske-Hill I would actually have been a draw had one of the judges scored it a point the other way. Just a single point on the Swiss judge's card meant the difference between the most popular fighter in German history losing his unbeaten record and IBF strap.

    But American Roy KO victim Hill was still awarded a split decision over there, snapping Maske's 30 fight unbeaten run in the process, both of which there was an awful lot of people in Germany who had vested interests in not see happen, in a fight that would've been declared a draw if one judge (a European judge) scored differently by a solitary point in an event that was not only the most expensive in German boxing history but was also supposed to be Maske's farewell fight before heading off into the sunset with his immaculate record intact. lol


    To summarize

    Roy said he needed to score a KO over in Germany to win. Funny how his KO4 victim Virgil Hill, who Roy had beaten with ease, didn't need to score a knockout over there to get his hand raised in a close fight against Henry Maske (which Roy obviously was well aware of) who was

    The most popular German boxer in German boxing history (sans Max Schmeling)
    In the most expensive event in German boxing history
    A fighter who was nicknamed ''The Michael Jordan of Germany''
    Who was almost worshiped like a god in Germany
    Who averaged 17.8m viewers on TV, with a peak at 23m.
    Who when he boxed it was ''like a national holiday"
    In a fight that ''wasn't broadcast but celebrated''
    A fight that was supposed to be ''The German Michael Jordan's'' farewell fight before he rode off into the sunset with his immaculate spotless undefeated record intact after compiling a stellar amateur (Olympic gold, World Amateur Championships gold & silver, and 3 golds at the European championships) and pro career.

    How badly do you think the powers that be in German boxing and all Golden Boy Maske's millions of adoring fans wanted him to win that fight and especially not see him lose, lose his world title, his career defining unification fight, his unbeaten record, again, in the most expensive event in German boxing history? Mull that one over for a moment. And Roy damn well knew this because Hill is the fighter DM beat to unify the WBO, WBA, and IBF straps way back in 1997.

    And isn't it funny how Julio Cesar Gonzalez didn't need a KO to get his hand raised over in Germany when he went over to Germany and won a close decision over DM in a fight where there was a lot on the line, because had DM been awarded the decision he would've equalled Marciano's long standing record of 49 fights without a loss.

    Roid knew damn well the Germans would actually make him undergo steroid testing had he dared venture over there and that when he inevitably failed the test they wouldn't sweep it under the carpet like they did for him back in his homeland and he was also keenly aware of the fact that DM was a savage puncher witch a pistonlike very hard ramrod jab and he was capable of sparking him out cold with either hand at any given moment in the fight so he decided to price himself out and then parade around town as a fraudulent paper champ with DM's belts that had been stolen from him draped across his broad steroid enhanced shoulders.

    ''Where your testicles at Roy? Stop running from me *****''

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    Serge destroys
     
  12. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    You mean DM didn't want that work.:deal:
     
  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Borderline HOF fighter.
     
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  14. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Borderline?

    Won WBO WBA IBF LHW titles, beat the stripped WBC LHW champ
    Won WBO CW title when LHW champ
    Made 23 defences, won 24 LHW title fights

    How is that borderline?
     
  15. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    There have been better fighters than him who didnt get in. I wouldn't be against him gettiing in but i dont think he's a unanimous candidate.
     
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