the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Just watched Canelo vs GGG 1.

Round 1 - Canelo
Round 2 - Canelo
Round 3 - Canelo
Round 4 - GGG
Round 5 - Canelo
Round 6 - GGG
Round 7 - GGG
Round 8 - GGG
Round 9 - GGG
Round 10 - GGG (VERY Close round and hard to call. Could go either way, really. Gave it to GGG because I felt he was more in command and landed more consistently.)
Round 11 - Canelo
Round 12 - Canelo

final: 114-114 Draw

Good fight!

 

Superb, mate. Looks like we read the fight in a very similar way and I agree with you about Galindez's versatility. As I said in my post about it, it was an uneven performance from him but he ultimately showed what a champion is made of. I really enjoyed Kates's performance. What a tough time it was to be a good contender like him.

As for the official scoring, I was totally baffled by it. @scartissue or someone else who knows more about scoring systems than I do - any ideas on the scoring method being used? I find the actual totals and how wide they are unfathomable.

 

Jel, the South African scoring system is a bit of a mystery to me as well. I was trying to glean something from the Galindez-Fourie fights, but the scoring is cloaked in the "South Africa does not make the scores public" scenario. However, the scores from the second Foster-Fourie were public and they resemble Galindez-Kates. In other words, I can't make heads or tails of it. I started thinking maybe they were using the old Australian 11 point system (6-5 for the winner of a round, 5.5 - 5.5 for an even round), but that doesn't hold water either when I read in one of the write-ups for Galindez-Fourie that they felt Galindez won the 15th round by a score of 7-5. So I have no idea.

 

Aye, unbelievable fight, though. If Franklin was born 2 years earlier, we could've got that fight...

That'd be a war for the ages, and who'd win? I don't know but either man takes a massive leap frog in the rankings either way. Galíndez probably cracks the top 15, and Saad definitely cracks the top 10.

 

It does seem unnecessarily complicated.

 

Regarding scoring systems, the old NY rounds system was the worst. No extra points for a knockdown - they simply won the round, if there was a point deduction for a foul they simply took that round from the penalized fighter and gave it to the other (ridiculous). And in the event of a draw they could utilize a supplemental point system, but only in the event of a draw. That system begged to be scrapped. There is some validity to the 11 point system and of course the 10 point must system is the standard today and seems equitable. However, a great old west coast writer told me once that the old California system used back in the 60s and 70s - he felt - was the best. That is 1 point for a round and none to the loser of the round, 2 points if a knockdown occurs and no points for an even round. He said to me, "If you work it out, it is exactly like the 10 point must system, only less math." And he was absolutely right.

 

Agreed, NY's system is awful. Just for the sake of these scoring exercises I only use the 10-point must.

 

Me too - just easier for me to keep using the same system. But the California one makes sense to me as well.

 

Remind me what theirs is, I'm not aware.....

 

As @scartissue described, 1 point for a round and none to the loser of the round, 2 points if a knockdown occurs and no points for an even round.

Fewer points to add up...

 

Bob Foster v Chris Finnegan

A good, competitive battle that I would stop short of calling great. The first 6 rounds felt like Foster was biding his time while Finnegan did reasonably well behind his southpaw stance picking up the odd close round.

The 7th was when the action started to pick up and Finnegan put some good combos together but as soon as Foster landed that right in the 10th, things swung in his favour permanently. As well as Finnegan was doing up to that point, Foster was never in any kind of trouble but you knew he could call on his power to claw back the slight deficit in points. Finnegan didn't have anything more he could do to hurt Foster. When Bob started dancing in the 12th, it was clear he was having fun in there. A brave effort from Finnegan, but class told in the end.

I've got to say I am surprised this was The Ring magazine's FOTY for 1972. I know they've got these wrong in the past but I doubt this was the best fight of the year. If so, maybe 1972 wasn't a vintage year for fights, I don't know...

1 10-9 (Foster winning the round with his persistent jab)
2 10-9 (closer round but Foster just edged it)
3 9-10 (close)
4 10-9 (Foster starting to throw the right hand more)
5 9-10 (close)
6 10-9
7 9-10 (close. The friendly war appears to be over and they start trading in anger)
8 9-10
9 9-10
10 10-8 (the right lands and puts Finnegan down hard)
11 10-9
12 10-9
13 10-9
(125 -121)
14 Foster KO Finnegan (the right hand gets him again - not a hint of making the count)

 

I've never scored it but feel the same about it being a good fight, but not exactly FOY material.

 

Watched this myself, Jel. I didn't score it, but I thought Foster won most of the rounds and was definitely comfortably up TOS due to the KD.

It was a fun experience, though. Watching Finnegan move around and look for openings, but Foster's awkwardness and power was too much. Watching him deal with a southpaw and adapt his style to cope with Finnegan's movement was interesting. Thing is, Foster didn't really have much issues with Finnegan's style; he was just out-worked in the mid rounds,

It was an okay fight, I found myself losing interest. Not bad, but a dire state of affairs if this was genuinely the FOTY.

 

Sal, I've been meaning to check this one out and now I have. here we go on the NY rounds system (which sucks).

Round 1: Stable
Round 2: Cokes
Round 3: Stable
Round 4: Stable
Round 5: Cokes
Round 6:Cokes
Round 7: Stable
Round 8: Cokes (originally scored it even but for Stable's low blow. In NY, they simply awarded the fighter who was on the receiving end of an infraction the round)
Round 9: Cokes
Round 10: Even

Total: 5-4-1 Cokes

Although we differed on a few rounds, we sort of came to the same conclusion. Very close rounds where Stable dominated the infighting and Cokes on the outside with his jab, right hand and uppercut that was really getting to Stable. The 10th round was a tough one. Stable was letting it all hang out and was winning the round on my card when Cokes caught him with a right that staggered him momentarily and then followed up with a couple of more before Stable went on the attack again. I felt it was enough to pull the round even on my card but not enough to sway it either way. But one close fight whatever way we look at it. Thanks for bringing this one up, Sal.

 

Interesting fight, wasn't it?

I did some reading about Stable after watching this and saw that in later years ( and even now) he ran afoul of the law and once while in court he began swinging a live chicken around by its feet, telling the packed courtroom he was going to sacrifice the bird right then and there before he was led out.

I must find more of his fights.