[1903] Fans applauded Jack Johnson's challenge to Jeffries-Corbett winner?

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  1. Fury's Love Handles

    Fury's Love Handles Mrkoolkevin Full Member

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    Apparently, the master of ceremonies read challenges to the winner of the fight before their match? Was this common in championship fights back then?

    This is a short excerpt from “Jeffries Retains World’s Heavyweight Championship after Fast Fight, Corbett Receiving Knockout Blow in Tenth While Battling Gamely,” San Francisco Call, Aug. 15, 1903:


    “Challenges were read from Jack Monroe and Jack Johnson, the colored heavyweight. Monroe’s challenge was received with jeers, but Johnson’s received applause. Jeffries turned to Delaney and said he would not fight a colored man, but was ready to meet Monroe.”


    I assume the article is referring to Jack Munroe, who only had 6 fights recorded on boxrec as of the date of the Jeffries-Corbett fight.
     
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  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes it was.
    Yes it was Jack Munro.

    Bizarre as it may seem today, Munro was seen as being the most credible white challenger remaining.

    Obviously everybody knew that Jack Johnson was the most credible available challenger, as the crowd's reaction shows.
     
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  3. Fury's Love Handles

    Fury's Love Handles Mrkoolkevin Full Member

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    Yuck. That speaks volumes about the talent pool (or lack thereof).

    Boggles the mind that there are people who view rising to the top of the division in that dark time as being in any way equivalent to the accomplishments of the men who did so in later eras!
     
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  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    In fairness there was no crystal ball to see into the future.

    They couldn't see which contenders would be a flash in the pan, and which would go on to better things

    Knowing what we know now, we can see that even if they had to have a white challenger, somebody like Sandy Ferguson would have probably given him a better fight.
     
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    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Some snipets from the run up to the fight.

    "I know Jeffries is a wonderfully strong man, but so is Sam McVea, who I defeated recently in Los Angeles. McVea is a marvel of strength, and he expected to rough me round in the clinches. I met him at his own game and fought him all over the ring. I believe I will be able to take just as good care of myself with Jeffries and I did with McVea."

    Jack Munro

    At the time McVea was preparing for a bout with Jack Johnson, but there is no record of them having had a match or exhibition.

    "The Munro fight will be the first time that Jeffries has fought a man like himself. Strong huge rough and rugged."

    National Police Gazette

    "Munro has talked so much and made so many mean cracks that I think he deserves just as hard a beating as I can give him. You know in all my fights I have held a great deal in reserve. I have never had to cut loose with a punch with every ounce behind it because I never had to go so hard as that. I never wanted to be brutal for fear of possible consequences. I have always had a horror of being mixed up with a killing in the ring. With Munro I will feel no compunction about slogging him."

    James Jeffries
     
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  6. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So Munroe fought and beat McVea? If so, then it makes him better challenger than I thought he was!
     
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    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Never happened.Janitor put Munroe instead of Johnson,honest mistake.


    When Johnson fought Munro he toyed with him and reporters said Munro did not even know how to punch properly.
     
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    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    It didn't necessarily happen.

    It might have been an undocumented fight, or it might have been an exhibition, or it might just have been Munro's lies!
     
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    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    It didn't happen end of!
    McVey fought Martin on the 22 nd of August 1904 after which he did not fight again until Jan 25th 1906, Munro fought Jeffries on the 26th of August 1904.
     
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  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anything is possible, but why could he lie about that?
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Why wouldn't he,he lied about flooring Jeffries!
     
  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Janitor misattributed the quote. It's from Jack Johnson.
     
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    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It makes sense then.
     
  14. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He had a reason to do so - he wanted to get title shot.

    I wouldn't put too much weight into this title defense. Jeffries agreed for a fight because he wanted to punish Munroe, it was personal thing.
     
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    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm aware of the circumstances surrounding the fight.Whilst on his exhibition tour with Fitz ,Munro was one of the men who tried to stay the 4 rds for $250.Fitz advised Jeffries to take him out quick,but Jeff decided to give the crowd a show and let him stay awhile,he began to get more serious in the 3rd rd but, owing to his lack of conditioning started to blow as Munroe sought only to survive till the end of the 4 rds,Jeffries missed with a swing and slipped down to the canvas.After lasting the distance and claiming his$250 Munroe was taken up by an opportunist fight manager who began a hype campaign stating Munroe had got the better of Jeffries and floored him into the bargain. Jeffries was very unhappy with the financial return from the Munroe fight and said if he couldnt make bigger purses than that defending against White challengers he would retire.
     
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