Roy Jones fought trash opposition

Benn, did fight in America
Collins did fight in America
Tiozzo did fight in America
Eubank did fight in America
Michalczewski I heard was prepared as champ to travel, but what I think you are saying is that you dont think Jones would be prepared to travel for the champs and expect the man of a division to travel for him?

 

Title can be taken literally, as Jones fought an actual garbage collector near the peak of his career.

 

He also fought a mall security guard, a UPS driver, a mailman ("The punching postman"), a ex convict that learned how to box in jail at the ripe age of 32, all in his "prime"

 

He also fought a John Ruiz called John Ruiz.

 

Eubank stated to Jones face that he didn`t want to fight him, he said he didn1`t want either man to be hurt, Collins stated at that same table that he felt Toney wa the greatest fighter of all-time but ruined his career by not training, Toney was much better at 160 than Colins judging their common opponent McCallum, though they both fought equally v Johnson at 160.

 

I've watched the program
Eubank would have faced Jones if it was his mandatory. That has also been said.
Don't get too caught up in how one person looked on a particular fight on a certain day.
Look at how Alexander looked against maidana compared to mayweathers fights with maidana. I would still have picked Mayweather to beat Alexander

 

bailey,

They only emotion you evoke is happiness.

The way you spin the stats to fit your agenda is an art form.

Ha!

‘The King of spin’

I’ve just laughed out loud at your comments regarding Fabrice Tiozzo on the Henry Maske thread.

Self pawned?

Ha!

You are the guy who rates on resume only, without taking into account the fighter’s ability.

Toney beat Tim Littles 8 months before he fought Roy.

Yes, they both would have been good fights for Roy.

It would have interested me. It would have been an intriguing clash of styles. As we know, Roch was a very tough southpaw.

How would it have been massive though?

Massive to who?

Roch had lost to Eubank, Maske and Dariusz.

It wouldn’t have been a massive fight and Roy would have been a big favourite.

Roy definitely should have been forced to fight him though for his old WBC belt. The actions of the WBC where they handed Roy his belt back after Roch had beaten Nunn, was absolutely disgraceful.

Roy could never have been his mandatory.

None of the top fighters could have been.

You know that.

You’re kidding yourself.

You’re a strange guy.

You always claim that you have great knowledge of the era, (which you certainly do) yet you completely ignore any of the circumstances.

We’ve been debating this for 8 years now.

You know full well that Eubank was never the same after the Watson tragedy.

You know that.

Eubank has said that numerous times.

Barry Hearn has said it.

It’s common knowledge.

It took something out of him.

Although he had some good wins like against Roch, he was a lesser fighter, especially with his hectic SKY deal. You know full well that he was lucky not to have lost his fights against Schommer, Close and Benn. He admits himself that he lost to Benn and Schommer.

Okay, despite the above, he was still a very good fighter. And I do give Collins credit for beating him. But it wasn’t some kind of great win which you try and claim it as being.

There was nothing great about beating that version of Eubank by a razor thin decision.

Then we have Benn. A version of Benn who’d come out of retirement, who’d had a shadow on his brain after his fight with Gerald. A fighter who’d lost to Malinga.

The first fight was stopped due to Benn’s ankle injury.

How can that even be celebrated as a win?

Then we had the rematch.

Collins won easily against a version of Benn who had to bet £100,000 on himself in order to motivate himself.

So what was great about that?

Yet you want to celebrate him as having had TWO great wins over Benn.

It’s a joke.

Having razor close decisions over Eubank, and 1 clear win over a shot Benn wasn’t great.

I’ve also no idea why you keep bringing up Frederic Seilier.

He was a decent fighter, but nothing more.

Collins doesn’t possess a great SMW resume.

You just big it up due to name recognition.

Steve Collins should never be ranked higher than James Toney on any SMW debate.

 

He was never going to be his WBO mandatory.

He wasn’t even ranked.

 

I know. He was IBF champ and didnt give up his title to go after Eubank.
Just imagine if Calzaghe didnt just drop his title to go after a rival champ. Just imagine what you might say... Whoops, you wont be able to answer this as you have already put your foot in your mouth if you try to apply your own logic lol

 

What are you talking about you nut?

You’re all over the place.

You’re defending Eubank’s claims, knowing full well that guys like Roy could never have been his WBO mandatory.

So him saying he’d have fought them if.... means absolutely nothing.

 

Of course Roy could have been his mandatory if he had of vacated his title to push for that fight.
Remember how you once wrote something like Calzaghe could have gone for Ottke by vacating his title to become Ottkes mandatory?
Does that not apply now? It was your logic

 

Bailey was one of the reasons 'Boxrec warriors' was coined a decade ago.

 

What on earth are you talking about?

Why would Roy have vacated his title?

Roy would never have been ranked by the WBO.

The WBO didn’t rank guys like that back then.

Guys like Roy, Nunn and Toney etc, could never have been Eubank’s mandatory.

It’s all well and good him saying that he’d have fought them had they have been, but it’s something that could never happened. So it was just a throw away comment.

I’ve never ever wrote that about Joe fighting Ottke.

What I said, is that when Joe knew that Ottke wouldn’t fight him, he should have left the division to pursue the guys up at LHW.

 

john ruiz is probably the worst heavyweight of all time to have a title, tua exposed him for the club fighter/sparring partner he is

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Possibly, but Ruiz wasn't easy to beat by everyone. And has a resume of kind that would put him a top today's HW.