Has Chocalitito surpassed his idol Arguello?

22 is not prime for those divisions lol. Japanese and Thais have their first world level fight at that age, and they're the ones weighing down the average age. I think you're forgetting Michael Carbajal existed. Estrada didn't even do much at 108.

 

I think he was on his way to, and could have were he to have beaten Wangek the first time (or at the very least avenged the close decision loss in the rematch) and then maintained his momentum with a few more solid defenses at super fly - but now that ship has sailed.

 

If he takes an official win over Wangdangadoodle, a second win over Estrada and then beats the monster, then, yes. That doesn't seem likely though.

 

Chang over Zapata? Zapata over Chang?

 

I said possibly.

 

How old was Chcolatito when he won a belt?

Estrada beat Viloria for a belt in his fight after Chocolatito, you dope.

 

I mean, according to the people in this thread Viloria being 32 means he was 10 years past his prime. Wasn't at 108. Was a SD. Lots of context to be had I think.

 

What are you talking about? Estrada himself is on the cusp of being an ATG. Thats like saying Frazier only beat Ali by a hair

 

I guess if you strip it of all context, sure. Estrada had never fought for a world title. Never would at 108. He was 22 and hadn't been outside of Mexico. Suffered a loss the year prior in a fight he got knocked down in. Avenged that loss in another fight he got knocked down in.

You want me to consider that on par with the Estrada who participated in the Super Fly craze? Because Roman certainly wasn't the same guy up there at 115. Hell, Cuadras was even kind of washed by that point. Go watch his fight with Roman or Wangek from years prior. The man drank so much he forgot how to box.

I'm sorry, but as somebody who considers themself a fan of Estrada, Inoue would've buried that man. Would've buried Roman too. Wangek might be tough enough to make it a fight and get in his face. So Roman's an ATG, Estrada's an ATG, Inoue's an ATG, Wangek's an ATG, Nietes is an ATG, etc. Where does it end? Any fighter worth their salt in those divisions captures at least 2 titles. I've seen Mthalane on P4P lists and him and Artem have each defended their belts like a dozen times without fighting each other.

 

I think I picked the wrong week

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OMG the cherry picking prime crap has got to stop. According to you people a prime is like 1 round of 1 fight and you'll discount everything else. This crap ruins nearly every thread these days.

You don't even make sense.

You say Estrada never fought for a championship at 108 and he did obviously vs Roman.

And even leading up to the Roman fight the guy who Estrada lost to and then KO'd in the rematch(Juan Carlos Sanchez) would win a world title his very next fight. So the idea Estrada was pre-prime and hadnt fought championship level comp is nonsense. Anyway if you're challenging for a world title 99% your prime has started or else you wouldn't be challenging for a world title

 

I don't think anybody who has watched Estrada over the years would refer to 22 as his prime. It's simply untrue, even on paper. He developed his game a lot. Especially his back foot game. He filled out physically. Your post distorts a lot of what I actually said in order to "prove me wrong".

I said he never fought for a title prior and would never win one at 108. Both are true.

So it was two pre-prime pre-championship prospects going 1-1 in fights where Estrada got knocked down multiple times. Sanchez's career trajectory has not matched Estrada's. You think that fight is as close down the line? Or is it wise to assume Estrada developed a little more than your less skilled titlist? Would love to see those fights if anybody knows of their existence btw.

Okay, Manny Pacquiao's prime was getting knocked out at flyweight as a 20 year old.

 

Pacquiao was in his prime, he was also clearly weight drained and would move up 3 weight classes