Contemporary evaluations of Rocky Marciano

That will frequently happen when you start the debate with people. They will respond. Common sense, not a function of mindless hatred against Rocky.

 

He's had numerous alts, you'd recognize one of them, I'm sure.

Marciano has hoards of them. You're naming one off guys.

These are, particularly Duran, in the same boat as Marciano. But that's only 3 fighters.

 

Too many to name re: road work, especially if you consider that Marciano apparently jogged and speed-walked most of his mileage.

I assume plenty of the Philly fighters, among others, outsparred Marciano.

He worked hard but so did many, many other fighters.

 

I don't know, I mean endurance sports are in large part a mental game.

Everything about the swarming style, just burns energy.

You have to work harder than your opponent, just to match them!

 

Welterweights can ko heavyweights then? Point is, Holyfield is proven against quality super heavies and Marciano is not.

 

Go on then, if there's so many. How about 5?

I follow literally nothing in the way of training, I simply don't care. I only know how many miles Marciano run coz of my discord chat with Lachlan, so I'm genuinely interested.

 

For sure, but when you're talking about the elite of the elite, the top one percent of the top one percent, you're probably dealing with people who have certain physical advantages, whether it be lung capacity or heart size or whatever. We just aren't good about measuring these things.

 

Why repost this racist BS? Oh, it's you. We know. Ali was racy in his early days. He was smitten by the Black Muslim Group a racist organization that didn't like America or the Caucasian population. Years later, Ali reformed to a more moderate side of Islam.

Look, in 1970, neither Ali or Frazier had beaten anyone significant outside of Liston who took a dive. Ali was viewed as good enough to be featured, but at that point had not earned a legacy over Foreman, Frazier or Norton. Ali complained he lost to Marciano in the super fight, but that is not the entire case, there were two endings. In the film show in Europe, Ali won in round 13. Had the film been made in 1975 ( Assume Marciano was alive ), Perceptions would have changed some. But this was 1970, beating Liston who took a dive and Terell, while squeaking by Doug Jones, and nearly losing via KO to Cooper with some controversy was not viewed as all time great stuff....back in 1970

This wasn't the first time Ali complained about losing a computer fight.

In 1967, Radio Producer Murray Woroner had the idea of determining the all-time great heavyweight champion of the world by placing boxing champions of different eras in a series of fantasy fights.Woroner sent out a survey to 250 boxing experts and writers to help determine which boxers would be used in what would become a fantasy tournament. Hank Meyer, president and salesman with a one other partner in SPS, was instrumental in setting this competition up, and contended at the time that it was his idea. Woroner picked the first round of fantasy matches to be:

Jack Dempsey vs. Gentleman Jim Corbett >>>Won by Dempsey
John L. Sullivan vs. Jim Braddock >>> Won by Sullivan
Bob Fitzsimmons vs. Jack Sharkey >>> Won by Fitzsimmons
Jim Jeffries vs. Jersey Joe Walcott >>> Won by Jeffries
Joe Louis vs. Jess Willard >>> Won by Louis
Max Baer vs. Jack Johnson >>> Won by Baer who scored 3 knockdowns
Rocky Marciano vs. Gene Tunney >>> Won ny Marciano
Muhammad Ali vs. Max Schmeling >>> Won by Ali

I happen to agree with 6 out of 8 outcomes.

Ali won his first match. So did Louis. Baer vs Johnson was questionable but Baer focused was better than other who beat Johnson, The final match was Dempsey vs. Marciano, with Marciano winning it. I don't see Dempsey or any of the fighters alive, some of whom were commenting for the radio broadcasts complaining. Not Louis, or Dempsey, or Willard or Tunney. And we all know the reason why they didn't, but Ali did.

 

No. You know full well that diminishing returns as you go higher up.

Why does he have to be proven against SHWs? That has no bearing in this conversation.

 

How many miles did he claim Marciano ran? The numbers I've seen weren't impressive at all. Lots of walking though. Seamus and I both posted a lot of newspaper accounts from reporters who witnessed firsthand or interviewed him contemporaneously.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...rcianos-diet-and-workout-regimen-1952.616023/

 

15 by firsthand accounts.

 

lol

 

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...rcianos-diet-and-workout-regimen-1952.616023/

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/marcianos-inhuman-training-regimen.615900/