Contemporary evaluations of Rocky Marciano

Don't have time to go through all the ones who actually despise Leonard. For Ali you can add Revolver and Mendoza. Mendoza denigrates quite a few fighters, though - Johnson being his favourite subject.

It used to be much worse with Ali, has mellowed out a lot. Il Duce was absolutely obsessed, though. Not seen anything like that.

I'd add Dempsey as well as a fighter where there's quite a bit of disagreement. Roy Jones, PBF... Ward was absurdly hated a year or so after his retirement, but that has abated a bit. There's been some pretty big disagreements about Monzon at times as well.

Hearns, Hagler and SRR are quite universally respected, though, but they are in the minority if anything. Generally the higher the profile of the fighter, the more flak.

 

Again, let's say all of this is true - and I believe it is, it's still less than 10 fighters, and not one is as inflammatory as the words 'Rocky Marciano' in a thread title, well aside from maybe Duran.

Either way, Rocky is ridiculously hated (and loved too), it's weird.

 

He was proven to be able to kd/ko them.Let me ask you this, Cokkell had a poor chin , as a light heavy he was floored multiple times and stopped byTurpin, a middleweight,yet he went 9 rds with Marciano?
Do you think Cokkell could be hit as many times as he was by Rocky and last 9rds if the guy hitting him was Liston,Foreman,Lewis?

 

Not my info. I got it from Lach.

Okay? I've read both already. You think it's representative of his entire training camp? Lol

 

He was proven to be able to kd/ko them.Let me ask you this, Cokkell had a poor chin , as a light heavy he was floored multiple times and stopped byTurpin, a middleweight,yet he went 9 rds with Marciano?

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Head to head ability is not being questioned ability to give and receive punches is the subject.I said modern heavies because they are all bigger than those in the 50's , did I really need to type this?

 

You know chins can improve whilst moving up in weight? Being drained can ruin durability. Look at Hearns, when he came in lighter he was less durable. Dawson ruined himself dropped a mere 7lbs. The more Kovalev drains himself, the more his chin deteriorates. Wilder looked weaker when he came in lighter be Fury in the first fight, and when he came in heavier in the rematch. Pacquiao had a significantly improved chin as he moved up from flyweight.

Countless examples...

But to answer your question, no I don't. But I also think all of those are harder hitters than Marciano, and I've never claimed otherwise.

 

Ok, you've got better, more reliable sources? Show us then.

We've all heard the stories, most likely started by his brother, about how Marciano ramped up to running 15 miles per day the week of his fights and performed all kinds of herculean feats. I've yet to see anything from a neutral source that comes close to confirming it though.

 

Okay what? I don't know what you're looking for. But if you happen to find anything from a remotely credible, neutral source attesting to Marciano running 15 miles a day, PLEASE send it my way!

 

Did you read my thing? I said it wasn't from, take it up with @The Undefeated Lachbuster

 

As I say, it's largely a function of high profile the fighter is. Rocky is one of the most famous fighters ever after all.

Looking at this board, I don't see that hate. Il Duce, now that was hate. His whole activity here was trying to show that Ali was a total fraud. I also don't see the kind of contempt Leonard and Floyd get.

Threads like the ones Seamus started are mostly a reaction to over the top praise. If someone, in all seriousness, starts a thread about Ali being among the hardest punchers of all time, would you be surprised to see a thread reacting to it?

 

Who on earth doesn't understand periodicization?

My browser might be having problems with your link because I can't see the 15 mile claim and I don't know who claims to have observed it. If you can find many other sources please share those too, if you don't mind.

I've seen a ton of completely unsourced references to the 15-mile story too. Probably all originates from fans uncritically parroting the same original sketchy source without trying to verify or substantiate it.

 

The problem with a lot of these training accounts, is that they take one or two days, which might or might not have been representative.

He clearly ran sixteen miles on some days, and that claim is not particularly remarkable.

What would tell us the real story, would be to have a breakdown of his training camp.