What the hell is the wrong with the boxing!

Thats the problem mate you dont get the way that people think that say todays hws are better.
You think that I admire or like fury and wilder the same way as you guys like the old heavyweights, which is not true. I dont really like them or have any deep admiration for them. I just state the obvious that they are the best hws that have lived till this day, as ronaldo, messi, bolt, federer and nadal are the all time bests in there sports for now. But in 20 years no one gonna give a fuk about them. Fury like all the others wouldnt even be a top 10s in their division or sport in 2040.

Sport science, nutrional science and peds arent even close to reaching a limit. At some point humans will probably hit sort of a physical Plateau of what they can achieve and then you might wanna start comparing but as for now sport is a consistent on going development.


A and the golden era used ped too . So yeah

 

I too admire the old heavyweights (and boxers in general), but it's not like I prefer one era over another. I just like good boxing, whenever it took/takes place.

I presume we're all here, because this is the sport we love. A sport that is incredibly rich in history - so why be obsessed with tearing down one era, to make another look superior. Unlike when I started to take an interest in boxing (early 60s), we are today able to watch thousands of fights on YouTube - old as well as new. I consider myself lucky to still be around and able to enjoy it all!

 

well they are more athletic.
1. they punch at a higher frequency. Thats a facts look up punch stats
2. they through with more force. Again look at the ko rates of the last decade.
3. they are way more athletic especially in comparison too how much taller they are getting. Fury and wilder are doing things that wlad and vitaly could have never done despite beeing taller. Like ducking under a hook and initiating a attack or wilder pulls counter in round 10 against ortiz. When youre 6 2 thats nothing special but at 6‘7 or higher this is a very hard thing to do.

The hw division is now ruled for 35 years by athlets at or over 6‘6.is it really possible that there was no fighter in all those years that had the same talent as Frazier and could have ruled at least for a few years?

 

I stopped reading when you seriously said that rocky marciano and steve cunningham are the same size. Cunningham is 4 inches taller and is absolutely clean and cut at sub 8% bf for his weight ins. The guy would be a massive hw in the 70s. Marciano is literally fat compared to his physique.

 

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Marciano 5‘10 1/2
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You dont seem to have a lot of knowledge about athletics and physiques. Cunningham would beat marciano in any strength departmant in and outside the ring.

 

I was talking about boxers in general not just heavyweights. And that boxers punch harder now is absolute bull****. And Fury is just naturally like that. He would've been just as athletic if he fought 50 years ago. Same with wilder he was a basketball and a football player. You can't take someone whos naturally gifted with athleticism and say athletes are getting better. Most tall athletic people dont box, they play basketball. We would have seen way more of those tall athletic fighters if it wasn't for basketball. There are plenty of boxers now that are slow as molasses. The klitschkos did all kind of modern strength and conditioning still fury was more athletic. Im not sure if you mean that they are more athletic naturally or due to training. But i don't think boxers are any more athletic than before its just that we have 3 naturally gifted athletes in the heavyweight division right now. In Ali vs frazier 1&3 they threw about double more punches a round than an avg heavyweight fight today.

 

The only thing good about your post is your great Buford T Justice quote.

First off, you’re never going to form a good debate with this horrible posting style.

I understand that certain fans upset you by showing disrespect and a lack of knowledge towards fighters, but this isn’t the way to go about it.

You don’t need to counter their opinions by going on the attack.

If you want to debate, find people who are knowledgeable and break down their styles and objectively look at how their styles would have meshed.

We don’t need this to a turn into an ignorant attack of old fighters and modern ones.

Regarding Fury, of course he’s not a bum.

He’s a very good-great fighter, who has great movement and skills for a man of his size.

Calm yourself down and let’s have an actual debate.

 

It doesn’t matter if they are taller and weigh more.

Boxing isn’t measurably better than it was decades ago.

How long have you been watching boxing?

Boxing doesn’t progress each decade like other sports do.

What a horrible and ignorant statement to make.

Boxing isn’t just determined by strength and power like other sports.

It’s not a race against the clock.

It’s more skilled based.

A physical game of chess.

A perfectly placed left hook with great balance and technique is the same today as it was 70 years ago.

There’s been no new techniques in boxing for decades. In fact there’s techniques that today aren’t as prevalent as what they once were.

The fittest, tallest, heaviest fighters aren’t always the best fighters. The best fighters are the ones with the most ability.

 

1. boxers do punch harder in the hws. Almost every hw fight nowadays end in a ko or one if the boxers hits the canvas. That is because they just weight more and are bigger. That is a fact you can not deny, weight is the number one factor to determine strenght, the higher the weight class the higher the ko ratio. You can see a very big difference between lwh and ww.

2. no fury and wilder were not born and could just move like that. Through sport science and enhanced training methods athletes do way more specific exercises to increase their coordinative skills despite their height. Look at usyks and wilder camps they do exercises exactly designed for that.

3. the argument with the hw talents all play basketball is the pinnacle of american arrogance.
Its like: yeah we Americans could be the best at boxing but we rather play b-ball bla bla.
It has nothing to do with basketball it has to do with the fact that americans get their ases handled by all those russians, brits and mexicans ,,euro-bums‘‘ for 3 decades now. boxing is international now, back then in the golden era it was more of an american championship.

 

What on earth are you talking about?

Seriously.

They are the best HW’s who’ve lived up to this point?

Ha!

Do me a favour.

You’ve got to be a new fan or completely ignorant to hold that opinion.

You can’t be serious.

Your first mistake is comparing boxing to other sports.

Boxing is a stand alone sport.

It’s not like sprinting.

It’s not a sport that’s based more on strength and power, where you’re racing against a clock and dealing in milliseconds.

Just because sprinting and swimming times have improved over the years, it doesn’t mean that the fighters do.

Boxing ebbs and flows and has done for years. It’s improved since the M.O.Q but it does not get stronger each decade as a whole.

Sometimes divisions are strong, sometimes they’re weak, and sometimes they’re average.

As each decade goes by, every division changes.

Some of today’s divisions are stronger than what they’ve been for a while such as the CW division, but some divisions are considerably weaker like the MW and SMW divisions.

Today’s best fighters aren’t the best fighters of all time.

Today’s HW’s aren’t the best HW’s.

Today’s MW’s aren’t the best MW’s.

In 2040, there’s no guarantee that there’ll be 10 HW’s better than the best guys of the 80’s and 90’s, let alone today.

There’s plenty of fighters of yesteryear who would easily beat some of today’s guys.

 

Dude it is not important how long you have been watching boxing which is over 10 years in my case, it is way more important how long you have boxed.
98% of guys here have never fought or even sparred. If you would have a basic understanding of how this sport works and not only as a spectator, you would know how important and crucial weight and size is.
And no pro boxing is not as skill based as many people think. Amateur boxing is.
Thats why so many people fail as pros despite beeing good amateurs. Pro boxing succes is massively determined by chin and athleticism. Thats the reason why a limited boxers as carl froch can be a world champ despite beeing so flawed. Cause you can make up for it with athleticism and stamina.
Of course boxing is evolving in terms of technique, look in the 2000s so many fighter used the shoulder roll which was first used by tony in the 90s. Along came the russians like ggg, kovalev etc and started to destroy all those philly shell users and now hardly anybody used that because strats and techniques evolved.
The foot work and skills of guys like loma and usyk are just on a total different level and they will have a massiv impact on the development of boxing technique.

 

of course even tyson and foreman said that todays hws are better then them.
The people you admire are actually on my site on this topic hahahah.
You know why? Cause they saw a boxing ring from the inside and not from youtube.

 

Here you again.

You have no idea how to debate.

I don’t even know where to start.

What do you mean Mike Tyson can’t be mentioned with Marciano, because Marciano was undefeated and Mike only beat cans?

WTF is that nonsense?

Rocky was a great fighter and he deserves huge respect. But you have to look at who he fought and what his circumstances were.

Mike Tyson was a great HW who burnt out fast due to a lack of dedication. But he was a special HW. He certainly didn’t only beat up on cans. And there’s no reason why he couldn’t have replicated Rocky’s record had he have followed the same timeline. He was more than capable of beating all of Rocky’s opponents. There’s also a huge chance that Rocky wouldn’t have retired unbeaten had he have faced all of Mike’s opponents. Think about that.

Show some respect and think about what you’re typing. Because you are as bad as the type of fans that you’re criticising.

I understand if you think Fury is being overhyped by some guys.

Again, it happens all of the time.

This could be a good debate if you changed your mindset and you wanted to actually debate.

Tyson is a very good fighter with great attributes.

He would be able to beat some guys of the past.

Likewise, some fighters of the past would be able to beat him.

It all depends on how they’d have matched up stylistically.

Now calm down and come and have an actual debate.