Tyson was on another level compared to Wilder, Fury and Joshua

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  1. SquaredCircle

    SquaredCircle Active Member Full Member

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    Tyson may actually be underrated by younger fans. It was clear his skill eroded post-Rooney around the time of the Bruno fight. Didn't have the same head movement or combination punching, Post-prison, he was still formidable, but a much more one-dimensional puncher than before. His peak was short and he has nobody to blame but himself, but for those three years, he was something truly special. Unbeatable? Definitely not, but certaintly in a class very few heavyweights have ever ascended to. If people think Joshua or Wilder would have beaten him, they're sorely mistaken.
     
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  2. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mike Tyson was a perfect killing machine. He was No 1. Single Punch KO Artist during the late 80s - 90s.
     
  3. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Ageing? i can't agree with that, most definitely not in the Douglas fight thats for sure. Plus Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis all beat Tyson and they were older than him.
    With regard Tysons heart, while still on his feet he kept swinging, but once hit the canvas then he decided basically to stay there.

    Many greats have been knocked down, but they got up, a fact summed up by Dempsey “A champion is someone who gets up when he can't.”

    Lack of focus i can agree on, as that happened with many fighters.

    Even Lewis took his eye off the ball in build up to the Rahman fight and lost, staying down in Vegas to film for Oceans 11 rather than acclimatising to the altitude of South Africa.

    Yes Tyson hung around too long after his aura and abilities had been dented, but who can blame him when despite on downward spiral, he was still getting milions in purses to fight guys like Kevin McBride.
     
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  4. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    lewis, tyson, klits ,holy, bowe>>>>>>joshua>Fury>wilder
     
  5. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    A prime Tyson absolutely obliterates Joshua and Wilder. Fury is too big, too skilled and can take a punch. Sure Tyson could still catch him at some point or maybe hurt him to the body but its a tough fight.
     
  6. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member banned Full Member

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    Fun thing, tyson himself admitted himself that he would not be able to beat todays hws and that was in the klit era. Foreman himself said that boxers punch way harder then he did and that he would lose to wilder and fury.
     
  7. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Although Tyson is not in my Top 10 Great Heavyweights....What a Prime Tyson would do to this average lot at the moment would be almost Murder....all of the Top 3 would not be able to hold Him off...He would Brutalise them.!!!
     
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  8. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    Tyson has become mythologised.
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Regarding ageing, I was talking about the latter part of his career. His unique style took a tremendous amount of stamina and focus. Realistically, he was never going to have longevity with it.

    As we saw, the wheels came off long before he aged. He looked poor even before the loss to Douglas. And people can say whatever they want about that fight, but we know he wasn’t 100% for it. If people think Douglas would always have beaten him, they can think that. But that version of Mike had no motivation for that fight. We know this. He was overweight before the fight, and then he went to Japan and hardly trained. He was sleeping around and getting bashed up in sparring by Greg Page. His personal life was a mess and he just went through the motions.

    After the loss, he was hurting. He’d been embarrassed. He got himself motivated and in shape for the Ruddock fights. But even then at just 25, he didn’t show the skills he’d shown with Rooney.

    The post prison versions of him were even more watered down.

    I love Evander and I was a fan of Lewis. But unfortunately, they didn’t fight the versions of Mike we saw wreck Spinks and Holmes. Now I’m in the camp that believes it would have been more than possible for both of them to have beaten any version of Mike. But Evander fought a lesser version and Lewis fought a completely shot version. Yes, they were older than him and they deserve huge credit for their longevity and dedication. But I just don’t buy into the theory that Mike was only great until he stepped up his competition. I don’t believe that. It was Mike who beat himself. We never got to see him at his best for a prolonged period. And a man has to take responsibility for his actions. But I don’t think Mike was all hype. He was a great fighter when he was focused, dedicated and fighting to his full capabilities.

    Regarding his heart. He showed it in the Douglas fight. He took huge punishment. He didn’t get up because he’d been beaten and he was exhausted.

    Against Lennox, he’d been a punching bag for 7 rounds. Many other HW’s would have been sat in the dressing room or in a hospital ward long before the 8th round.

    Even though he burnt out fast, I’d take him at his best over any HW today.
     
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  10. Loudon

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    They’re just being humble and respectful.

    They’re no longer in fight mode.

    We’ve just seen Andy Ruiz knock Joshua all over the ring.

    We’ve seen Wilder struggle to beat C class guys until he could find the perfect opportunity to land a huge shot.

    Put Mike and Foreman into the mix and look at how they’d have matched up stylistically.

    Mike would absolutely destroy Deontay Wilder. Brutally. He huge size would work against him where it would actually put him at a disadvantage. He’d never be able to set himself to land his right hand. Mike would be crouched and bobbing and weaving at speed. He wouldn’t have a chance. It wouldn’t be pretty.

    Regarding George, could you see Wilder beating him? I think George would have ran over him.
     
  11. Wallee

    Wallee New Member Full Member

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    Tyson is just being humble.
     
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  12. ertwin

    ertwin Active Member banned Full Member

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    they are not humble they just state the obvious. Wilder at this stage has only lost to fury who is taller and bigger then wilder
    Hahahahaha how can you be like that. Like the very person you look up to says the same thing i am saying and you guys just say: no he is just beeing humble. Crazy...
     
  13. Wallee

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    But he is being. Even when they ask about him bitin holyfield ear, he just says that holyfield was beating him and he got frustrated. Even tho it was really for all those heabutts because the referee wasn't doing anything about it. Wilder has only beat 1 top 3 contender in his career which was stiverne who was a bum. Also his best opponent is a old man who was no boogeyman like they said. Wilder is the most overrated fighter in the last 20 years. You hate these old school fighter its fine.
     
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  14. Loudon

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    You really are hopeless.

    The only thing that is obvious, is that Wilder would have been lucky to have survived in those other eras.

    You wouldn’t know that though, as it’s obvious you don’t possess any knowledge of them.

    You’re the guy who believes that today’s best fighters are the best fighters of all time, based on the progression of completely different sports.

    Wilder at this stage has only lost to Fury?

    Fury is taller than Wilder?

    Wilder has literally struggled with C class fighters. He is technically flawed and often off balance. He’s only got as far as he has, due to being able to land his huge power against lesser fighters.

    You take his power away, and you see what happens.

    Are you implying that Fury only beat him due to his size?

    Ha!

    Wilder would get folded by Mike Tyson.

    Stylistically, it would have been one the worst match ups for him in the history of the sport.

    If he’s getting outboxed by guys like Duhaupas, what chance would he have had with Holmes and Ali etc?

    Wilder is one of the weakest champions of the modern era.

    A 70% fit Tyson outboxed him in their first fight, and you’ve just seen how easily he’s just beaten him in the rematch.

    I think after the lockdown is over, you need to go and see your local optician.
     
  15. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He hasn’t got a clue.

    His posts make me cringe.

    He thinks today’s fighters are the best fighters of all time, based on the progression of other sports.

    He doesn’t know anything about the sport or it’s history.

    It’s just painful.
     
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