What the hell is the wrong with the boxing!

I agree that heavyweights punch harder because of the size. But no the average fighter from smaller weight classes. Wilder was naturally athletic he has said it himself that he was always very athletic and good at sports. I haven't seen fury do really any ADVANCED training methods like a klitschko. With the basketball thing i meant that there are plenty of those guys out there that are tall and athletic without any advanced modern training but they don't box. I saw you on another thread too you really don't like those old school boxers or you just love the modern heavyweights so much, idk. There were fighters before more skilled and athletic than fighters nowadays that did none of that advanced training bs. This just from what i've seen. But theres no point of arguing anymore, agree to disagree.

 

Size and power are important. Stamina is also important. But skills are always the most important thing. Always.

Loma and Usyk are great fighters.

We have great fighters who stand out in every era.

We haven’t got 20 Loma’s and 20 Usyk’s though have we?

Not everyone is on their level.

They’re just special talents.

No, boxing is not evolving in terms of technique.

No new techniques have been learnt.

The sport just ebbs and flows like it has done for about 70 years or more.

The shoulder roll wasn’t invented by James Toney.

Floyd was the last guy to use the Philly shell.

Old time skills aren’t as common because we’ve lost the old time trainers, not because they aren’t required.

We don’t see as much in-fighting today. We don’t see as many double hooks and uppercuts. We don’t see as many body shots as we used to.

Fighters today clinch more and don’t have a repertoire as big as some of the guys of yesteryear.

Kovalev and GG are/were great fighters, but there’s plenty of guys from yesteryear who would have given them hell. GG in particular is currently fighting in a MW era which is much weaker than previous eras.

GG has never seen a guy like Roy Jones, James Toney and Mike McCallum.

You get special fighters from every era.

Like I said, the divisions ebb and flow.

Today’s HW’s aren’t the best HW’s of all time.

I think that Tyson Fury is special. But Joshua, Ruiz and Wilder wouldn’t have been anything special in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s.

 

You are completely ignorant.

They are both happily retired and are being courteous to today’s guys.

It’s nice to see them showing respect and not criticising them.

Again, they’re not in fight mode.

I’ve been watching boxing for 30 years and I grew up watching Mike’s era and the end of George’s.

If you seriously think that Mike believes that he wasn’t as good as these guys, then you’re a fool.

Completely deluded.

Deontay Wilder is one of the most technically flawed fighters we’ve ever seen. We’ve literally seen him struggle with C class guys.

Joshua is a great HW of today, yet we’ve just recently seen him get run over by Andy Ruiz, who wasn’t anywhere near as good as what Mike was in his prime.

You’ve got to be an absolute idiot if you think that Mike couldn’t have wiped them out, along with Whyte, Pulev and Parker etc.

Look at how their styles would have meshed.

Tyson Fury is the best HW today, but stylistically, Mike Tyson would have been a nightmare for him.

You sound like a casual fan to me.

You’ve got to be taking some good 60’s style LSD, if you think that boxing progresses every decade and that today’s guys are the best fighters of all time, based on the progression of completely different sports.

Today’s HW’s are no better than the best guys of the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s.

Engage your brain.

Look at some of the best HW’s of the last 60 years:

Ali
Liston
Foreman
Holmes
Tyson
Evander
Lewis
Vitali
Wlad

You’re seriously telling me that those guys aren’t as good as Fury, Wilder, Joshua, Ruiz, Whyte and Pulev etc?

Sort yourself out.

 

Of course not everyone is on their level but they set the bar to new heights.
You just have no clue on what kind of level these eastern europeans operate. There is no american amateur boxing at this stage that can compete at international level. They get their ass kicked all the time. The only reason why there are still any american boxers that matter in the world is cause the us is still the biggest boxing market together with the uk.
Crawford and wilder are the only americans that are any good by now. All mexicans brits and eastern euros, its cause americans live in the past and prefer nostalgics over functionality.
And no fighters back then clinch way more then now go watch some old ali fights.

This board is so cringe with its insults like casual fan etc. Most of you guys are just fat couch potatos watching yt all day and thinking they know anything about a sport they never praticed because they cannot even run a mile without having a heart attack.

 

yes wlad would have massive problems against wilder and fury. We saw that already.
But the name of the game in hw has been the same for ages.
Be taller, stay outside, workrate with jab this has worked since the 60s .
Only exclusion was the tyson reign, which was very short in comparison to the rest.
ali-holmes-tyson-lewis-klits-fury

 

I know exactly how these Eastern European fighters operate.

They’re great fighters.

I’m a fan of there’s myself.

I can’t wait to see Usyk at HW.

It’s going to be so intriguing.

At the moment, the U.S. haven’t got as many great fighters as what they once had. But again, this has been the boxing landscape for years.

It ebbs and flows.

Like you’ve mentioned they have Crawford and Spence, and recently they had Ward and Floyd.

We saw Ward systematically break down Kovalev both mentally and physically.

GG is a great fighter but is fighting in a weak MW era.

If you’re going to make the ignorant comments that you have made, you’re going to have to expect to be insulted.

You can’t seriously believe that boxing progresses as a whole each decade?

You can’t seriously tell me that all the best fighters of the 80’s were better than the best fighters of the 70’s?

You can’t seriously tell me that all the best fighters of the 00’s were better than the best fighters of the 90’s and so on?

If that’s what you’re saying, that would mean that today’s best fighters are the best fighters ever, and that they are head and shoulders above the 90’s fighters, as they fought 25-30 years ago.

It’s laughable.

There’s many fighters of yesteryear that would easily beat some of today’s guys.

Are today’s MW’s the greatest MW’s of all time?

Is today’s MW era the strongest of all time?

Clearly not.

CLEARLY!

Are today’s HW’s the best HW’s of all time?

Clearly not.

As a whole, they’re no better than the best HW’s of the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and 00’s.

 

First of all feel free to insult me, i dont care this is the internet and you can have any opinion you want, i dont care anyway.

i will never respect ward for his performances against kovalev, despite him beeing a very good boxer.
He would never leave his backyard, everything had to be exactly set up the way he wanted it too and on top of that is is one piece of trash inside the ring. Constantly holding, low blowing and head butting and yet he got his ass whopped in the first match. The second fight was just said with ward winning by low blowing kova through the whole fight.

crawford is extremely good and i think is very underrated.

And yes i say that ggg kos duran, hagler, hearn, leonard.
Ggg is the most avoided fighter of this Generation. He had hardly any chance to proof how good he is, because everybody ducked him until he started to decline and now everybody jumps on him.

and by the way that is something I like very much about the old fighters from back then. They not hesitate to fight each other at any time which was great.

 

Wlad would always have had problems with Fury. I’ve no doubt about that.

I think he’d definitely have beaten Wilder though.

He knocked him all over the ring in sparring and knocked him out.

Wilder would only have had a punchers chance.

Because of his great power and unpredictability, he’ll always have a punchers chance against anyone. But if you take away his power, he’s left extremely vulnerable due to his lack of skills. If you dropped him in the 90’s with Lennox, Mercer, McCall, Bruno, Evander, Mike, Holmes, Foreman, Bowe, Moorer and Morrison etc, he’d just be another contender. He’d be nothing special.

Size is important. But we’ve seen countless times how the right blend of skills and styles can overcome even huge disparities in size.

Mike Tyson is a prime example. He’d flourish in today’s era, just like he did in the 80’s.

Usyk can overcome size disparities with his great skills. Again, it’s going to be very interesting to see how his HW career play out.

 

Change your name to SerbianCabdriver.

 

Okay.

We’ll start again.

I apologise for the insults. But your comments have been completely ignorant. You must realise that.

Regarding the Ward-Kovalev fight, again you show you’re ignorance.

He didn’t get his ass whooped in the first match. What fight did you watch? Go and watch it again.

In the rematch, Ward hit him with 2 low blows. All the rest were clearly on or above the line. Kovalev constantly threw rabbit punches all throughout the fight. Yet nobody ever comments on them. The fight wasn’t stopped specifically on a low blow. It was stopped based on what had happened in the whole fight and the entire round. Go and watch the fight. Kovalev had nothing left. He took a big right hand that wobbled him and he threw nothing back. He was bent over taking unanswered shots. Yes, the last shot was horribly low. But the referee had seen enough by that point. He was going to stop that fight wherever that last shot landed. He’d seen enough. To try and claim that Ward only won on a low blow and by being dirty, is completely ignorant. Ward systematically broke him down. And just prior to the stoppage, Ward hit him with 2 body shots which were 100% clean and not even up for debate, yet Kovalev looked at the referee in complete and utter desperation.

Regarding GG, I’m a fan and I agree that he was avoided. Still, it’s a bold statement saying that he’d have knocked all those guys out, when he’s ruled a weak era and has struggled with his best competition. Although you can say he was past his best against Jacobs and Canelo, I think that they would always have given him very difficult fights. Like Wilder, GG wouldn’t have had the same success in the 90’s, fighting much stellar competition like Jones, Toney, McCallum and Nunn etc.

Today’s MW division is weak. Just like today’s SMW division. Which just makes a mockery of your opinion that today’s fighters are the best fighters of all time, based on the progression of other sports.

 

Fury's height would be neutralised by Frazier's leaping left hook. Chisora modelled his style on Frazier but he can't leap the same, which is why his punches often fell short. Fury would be in for a hell of a surprise when the hook actually came leaping up at him and he couldn't just lean back.

Ali's lightning fast stings would find Fury's chin and I doubt Fury would get up from flush Ali shots if Foreman couldn't. Jack Reiss wouldn't be there to save Fury with a long count, that's for sure.

Foreman would combat Fury's speed with timing. He would walk him down and time him while he was walking forward. What's Fury going to do when Foreman walks forward and uses a timed uppercut or hook? It doesn't matter how fast your feet or defensive moves are, everyone knows TIMING beats speed.

 

First off chill fury is not no bum. Hes a champion who has unseated two champions already

Fury isnt active enough we all know that. Not enough title defenses but the truth remains hes beaten two champions in their own back yards in both fights fury was the underdog. Not only did he beat them . he beat them in dominant fashion

In my opinion all fury needs is the AJ fight to cement his legacy thats it .

The jury is still out on fury for all we know he may retire undefeated

As for him against fraizer ,marciano and foreman


I think fury beats marciano

Fraizer fury is a toss up


Foremam stops fury in my opinion

@SerbianLoudmouth

 

Good post, but Foreman was exhausted against Ali. It was a beautiful game plan.

Ali had respectable power.

I don’t know if he’d have knocked Tyson out, but prime for prime, I’d have favoured him on points.