Is Tyson Fury gonna duck David Price ?

It's been covered in a lot of detail on here anyway on dedicated threads. The difference in our thinking is that I don't think Fury was a super confident take on all comers fighter early on in his career.

 

you might be right there but who can say for certain

the first chisora fight showed me enough to know a few more years polishing his craft would take him to the championship

his performances in 2012 were amazing I know the opponents weren’t the best but Fury was in absolutely tremendous shape and was looking like the start of an upgraded version of the Klitschko’s

I know he got reckless against Cunningham and got dropped but he showed great heart and recovery in that fight

I think every boxer becomes more confident as their career progresses as long as they are getting the right results in the ring

 

I think the amateur loss/reported sparring sessions made him wary of Price as did the big plumber going through his overmatched overawed opponents like a hot knife through butter up until Thompson stood up to be counted. There were a lot of excuses coming out of his mouth as to why that fight couldn't or shouldn't be made at the time. Him being the far superior fighter will never change that.

He looked nervous about facing Ustinov when he thought Ustinov was in good shape. He in many people's eye's should of dropped a decision to McDermott and went viral for punching himself in the head. He had a terrible promoter in Fat Mick and as I said def suffered from looking awkward and from anti-gypsy sentiments. These were all things holding him back.

He was unlucky that he never got a coming out party against Haye - who was the better favourite over Tyson at the time - but he still entered the Wlad fight with a pretty underwhelming CV. Beating Chisora twice didn't suggest he was ready to dethrone Wlad but that's exactly what he did.

 

Say what you like about fury, but self doubt is not one of them.

Didn’t train for McDermott 1 on his 8th pro fight (yes yes, McDermott robbed blah blah) McDermott a grown man who had been about.

trained then easily beat McDermott on his 11th fight.

14th fight he’s going in as the underdog against undefeated chisora for the British and commonwealth. 2 fights later chisora would drop a debated decision to ring magazine #6 helenius, then go on to fight vitali.

19th fight he’s fighting Kevin Johnson who’s just been beaten by vitali in an eliminator for the WBC

then 20th travelling to USA to KO USS

Stops chisora on 23rd fight and hammer on 24th then finally unseating wlad in 25th


Doesn’t sound like a man lacking self doubt at all

 

lack of confidence is something Fury does not have.

he has always been the underdog.

couldn’t be bothered to train against McDermott, and got his gut check.

mcdermott rematch he was underdog. He could have easily swerved rematch.

Fought an undefeated chisora, fury was 2/1 underdog at only 14 fights. If he lacked confidence then this is one he would have swerved

the rematch, despite the previous schooling, was evens.

USS he was evens, travelled to America.

kevin Johnson, coming off a world title challenge at 19 fights.

hammer would beat Ustinov. Hammer european level but Ustinov is awful.

Wlad I got 5/1 underdog for a fury win.

even fighting rogan at 16 something fights is ballsy.

Someone that could be potentially accused of lacking confidence is Anthony Yarde, avoided domestic scene and worked theWBO rankings in an attempt to unseat shot kovalev.

And David price, Christ, one set back against tony Thompson and he had the confidence of limp wristed bed wetter

 

The guys who are the biggest authorities on Fury are always the guys who didn't think he could do a darn thing in the first place.

Funny how that works.



As for claims of Fury being intimidated by Price on the basis of an amateur bout and some mythology built up around unfilmed sparring, it's worth noting that Tyson unceremoniously dropped him like a sack of manure while he was still a teenager and Price a physically mature man of much greater experience.

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By the time 2012 rolled around, much had changed and Fury's pro CV was busy taking a squat on Price's.

The Price BS has always been for the birds, but it's deeply asinine stuff at this point. He would have been exposed and destroyed, and it's truly a shame that he and Baloney didn't make an honest attempt to build their brand by accepting the offer to fight Fury in front of millions on C5 instead of playing the PR game and fighting Fury's leftovers for Fury's castoff strap in front of a far smaller premium cable audience. If they'd been so bold, everybody would have seen what was up.

That is the truth about Fury-Price.

So timid. So lacking in confidence and belief. So scared.

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Fury is going to crush Anthony Joshua and become one of the very greatest legends in the history of British boxing, possibly a lock for HW ATG Top 10. There are those whom will resent it but whom will feign neutrality while skewing historical events in attempts to detract from Fury's accomplishments without blowing their thin cover. They will, of course, be achieving nothing more than stubbing their own toes on a colossus.

Enjoy the show, brothers, @Thor Odinson, @Eggman, @miniq. It's going to be fun, fun, fun.

 

Fury is going to crush Anthony Joshua and become one of the very greatest legends in the history of British boxing, possibly a lock for HW ATG Top 10. There are those whom will resent it but whom will feign neutrality while skewing historical events in attempts to detract from Fury's accomplishments without blowing their thin cover. They will, of course, be achieving nothing more than stubbing their own toes on a colossus - @navigator

once fury stands AJ on his head it’s gonna be a rough couple of months listening to Klitschko fans speak In tongues as to why fury will always be below wlad and vitali ATG.

At least this lockdown is preparing the sane people that 9 wins over sosnowski etc is not better than being undisputed with wins over Wlad, Wilder and Aj.

fury is literally the ghost of boxing past, present and future collecting belts as he sees fit

 

This is a great video because it shows that a student of the game like Fury knows that he has to take a man like Ustinov seriously, whereas he can just put down his Guinness, roll off the couch, and take Deontay Wilder's title.

 

he meant stitched up because Ustinov was k2s henchman, and they were roadblocking fury at every opportunity.

 

Scanning back over the original thread, I find evidence of the discerning minority to which a few of us belonged, amid the mooing of the mob;

Maloney was offered the fight on C5. He turned it down knowing fine well that Mick and Tyson had C5 commitments and would have to go another route if the fight went to purse bids.

Maloney even alluded to this very point at the time;

"As a promoter you take a risk when it comes to purse bids, you can bid too high and make a massive loss or too low and stand the chance that your fighter will fight on another promotion and TV channel."

On the same day that Mick said this;

"We have a great schedule in place for Tyson on Channel 5 and I'm not prepared to have that affected by other promoters, purse bids and titles."

Maloney knew, by declining the offer to fight, that he was ensuring Price would box an easier mark for a vacant title. And that is all there is to it.

Great bump. We should always welcome an opportunity to completely deconstruct this musty old chestnut.



BTW, this...

...should have pretty much crushed any reasonable observer's critical impulses, and yet Ustinov was still used by some as a stick to beat Tyson (and apparently still is). It's actually quite amusing that we're even discussing Ustinov, given that a.) the episode was only really seized on by ardent Fury detractors at the time, and b.) Fury had been training to face the much more dangerous Haye less than a year prior. But Ustinov was tall or something, and therefore scary, right?

If Fury-Ustinov had been a highly anticipated bout and Fury had pulled the plug at the last minute for no good reason, it would've been something to whack him with (if people want to give him a hard time for Klitschko II, it's whatever, I won't argue with them, there's at least some room for people to be bent out of shape in that instance, although there were obviously major disturbances going on behind scenes). But in reality, Fury-Ustinov was 'on' for all of three days before Tyson's beloved uncle fell very badly ill; if the fact that he'd been preparing to fight a very different guy isn't quite adequate justification enough for agreeing and then nixing the bout, the suddenly perilous ill health of close family surely is. Hughie's condition was no fiction, he was dead within 90 days. What was Fury's motivation to transcend his personal anguish? Buster had Tyson, Katsidis had Marquez, Fury had, uh, a once-in-a-lifetime shot at late-notice stand-in Sasha Ustinov.

One has to be pretty desperately reaching in order to find either material for criticism or evidence of a chink in Fury's mental armory in the Ustinov episode – Fury was not much more than a year away from waltzing into the Esprit Arena like he owned the place, so it's rather odd that he should find such a sudden and pure shot of confidence in such a short time after years of supposed crippling self-doubt.

 

16 months after Chisora II was postponed;

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Quite the transformation from the fragile petal who ran from Sasha Ustinov.


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I only say "possibly a lock for HW ATG Top 10" out of conservatism and respect for those who came before. I'm willing to wait 'til all's said and done before I start on categorical ATG talk.

As well as a good egg, you're a poet and a scholar.

That, and he had a hearing with the BBBofC pending and wasn't trusting anybody outside the clan.

 

By the day of the fight Fury was 1/3 against Chisora, can’t imagine he was ever priced at evens.

 

Wrong

The intriguing fight for the British and Commonwealth heavyweight titles between Dereck Chisora (14-0, 9 KO) and Tyson Fury (14-0, 10 KO) has tight lines, with the defending champ Chisora the favorite against the 6'9" youngster.

One concern some are having since yesterday is that Chisora weighed in at a career-high 261 pounds, which is nearly 20 pounds over his weights in his three most recent fights. He didn't look fat, but bulked up, and perhaps overly muscular on his 6'1" frame. The 6'9" Fury came in at a fit 255½, a lower weight than his most recent bouts, when he bulked up and at times looked heavier than needed. Both fighters are expressing major confidence, but this is really a pick'em fight. Neither has proven a ton in their young careers, but they both have promise. Along with David Price (who may be the best of the three), they're part of a nice crop of young heavyweights on British soil, and this fight is worth tuning into this afternoon if you're a heavyweight fan, or if you just like prospect fights.