What the hell is the wrong with the boxing!

Nice counter granpa

 

You can laugh all you want.

I’ve no idea how much boxing you watch, or if you go to a gym etc.

You can just use your eyes to comprehend what you’re seeing.

I grew up watching guys like Mike McCallum.

A smooth fighter, who threw every technique in the book. Little subtle shots. In-fighting, double hooks, setting guys up for beautiful body shots etc.

His prime was now well over 30 years ago.

I keep being told that boxing has evolved and the fighters keep getting better, and these new trainers have access to all of the old footage on YouTube etc.

I’ve been hearing it for years.

Yet when I watch top level boxing, the guys pass up great opportunities to go to the body etc.

They very rarely throw double hooks.

Uppercuts aren’t as common, certainly not off of both hands.

I know an ex-boxer who now owns a gym.

These old techniques aren’t practiced like they used to be.

They’re not as common as a whole.

Again, you can see that by watching the fights.

If you don’t agree, that’s fine. But I can see it with my own eyes.

Fighters don’t come up like they used to, where they encountered lots of different styles to get experience.

They don’t fight as often.

Despite the emergence of sports science etc, not all of them are fit all year round and spend their days working in the gym, where they’re fighting weight isn’t far from their walking around weight.

Now I’m not saying that today’s trainers are incompetent. Not at all. There’s some great trainers around. But I’m not just looking at the fighters at the highest level, I’m looking at fighters of all levels, in general. Their trainers can have access to hours of YouTube footage, and they can have a library card for any town or city in any state or county. But it’s not the same as turning up and training with guys like Fischer, Futch and Steward etc, who were there in the flesh to show the fighters first hand what they knew. That face to face knowledge cannot in any way be replicated.

 

Pretty sure part of Ali's soul has attached itself to Tyson Fury

I don't think there has been a HW since Ali to have it mentally so strong in till Fury came about.

 

For the record: I have never claimed that today's boxers are the best ever. As I have stated before, I see no great technical improvement since Louis, Pep and Robinson came along in the late 30s/early 40s.

What I'm arguing against is this idea, that boxing today has gone to ****! That the best boxers today are sissies, that would be merely journeymen "back in the day". And all this talk about the lost art of body punching, the lost art of in-fighting, the lost art of feinting, the dying off of the great trainers, etc.... it's all just unsubstantiated talk, put out there in an attempt to belittle the present.

 

If you reread my comments throughout this thread, you’ll realise that I’ve not said most of what you’ve noted above.

I haven’t in any way belittled the present fighters.

Not at all.

Maybe you’ve confused me with another member.

 

Rocky by KTFO in 22nd round. Old school rules.

 

What if it was 15 rounds

 

I'm pretty sure someone has said that:

… today's boxers lack old time skills - because today's trainers lack the knowledge of the old trainers.

… we now don't see as much in-fighting as in the old days.

… we see less body punching these days - because fighters can't take advantage of openings when they present themselves.

I thought you said these things - but if I confuse you with someone else, I apologize.

 

I have said those things.

That’s what I truly believe.

I haven’t disrespected today’s guys though, and I’ve said both in this thread and the other similar one from yesterday, that great fighters could fight in any eras. That the results of the fights wouldn’t be determined by their D.O.B. and what era they fought in, they’d be decided upon their skills and how they’d have matched up stylistically.

I also said that boxing ebbs and flows and it has done now for a number of years.

Sometimes weight divisions are weak, sometimes they’re strong, and sometimes they’re average.

Today, we’ve seen a resurgence in the CW division, where it’s deep, where today’s guys are thriving, but that the MW and SMW divisions aren’t as strong as what they’ve been in previous eras.

I respect all eras. Today's fighters and the fighters of yesteryear.

The only thing I don’t respect, are the people who think that the fighters get better every decade, based upon the progression of other sports.

I can’t abide that level of ignorance.

Other than that, I’m cool.

 

We're on the same page then - as I completely agree.

What I speak out against, is the notion that boxing has been going downhill over the last several decades - and has now reached an all-time low. I just don't see that!

 

No, I don’t agree with that at all.

Boxing today is healthy.

Apart from the politics etc.

 

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Looks like a drunkin bar fight to me. They load up with their punches and are unstable as fuk.
Compare that to ward kovalev cause their same size, even smaller.

 

You’ve already admitted that you’re trolling.

Nobody is going to engage you in another debate on the same subject.

Go and spend your time more productively.

 

Dude i was sarcastic when i said that i was trolling and you still didnt get it. Just go to the retirement home then you guys can talk all day long about boxers that have names like archie or willie.

 

You really are hopeless.

So you’re now saying that you weren’t trolling and everything thing you said was serious?

What a clown.