Why Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest

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  1. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, it's something I've read a number of times and I've never come across any source that contradicts it.

    But it's not something I can personally verify, no more than I can personally verify the records of the all-time great fighters throughout history whose fights were not all filmed.

    But if it turns out that he did not fight more World Champions than anyone else in the history of the sport, then there are undoubtedly very, very few boxers who fought more of them than he did.

    When you combine this with his incredible ring record, particularly before his retirement in 1952, and the other points I made, then for me that is more than enough to indicate that Robinson is in a league of his own.
     
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  2. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    very talented, very deep resume, excellent athlete , hard puncher, smart int the ring - may have fought on too long but was 129-1-2 before the Turpin loss and 132-2-2- after the Graziano fight - Hard to argue against him being at leat top 3 lb for lb of all time - Greb - Charles- Pep - Duran etc
     
  3. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's a very good list Mr.C no doubt. But personally I want to actually study
    the fighter myself. How can this be done with Langford, Greb or Fitzsimmmons?
    how many men that saw Langford, Greb, and Fitsimmons actually saw Robinson? Duran? or Ali?
    What about their competition? How many of those fighters do we have
    any reliable information on? Were they truly great fighters , or Eric
    Esch type of competition that allowed him to have a record of 60-1
    at one point in his career.
    And specifically, Fitzsimmons and Greb but actually applies to all 3 fighters
    with the rampant racism of their times, were they the best of their own era?
    This goes both ways. Since Langford was generally barred from fighting
    the best white fighters, how do we actually know they wouldn't have beaten him?

    For me personally There are to many unknowns for me to form (And actually anyone for that matter)
    a strong hypothesis on how good/ great fighters from that era actually were.
     
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  4. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Robinson?

    The king, the master, my idol. (Muhammad Ali)
     
  5. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    The thing is, is it isn't even a given that he was the greatest of his generation.

    I'm not hating.

    For me it's a coin toss between Armstrong, Charles and Robinson for the greatest of that era.
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I'd say Armstrong peaked a good 7/8 years before Charles and Robi did.
     
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  7. DrederickTatum

    DrederickTatum We really outchere. Full Member

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    Yeah he definitely did, but he was still floating around during the primes of both men so even though he wasn't at the top during those years, he was still a great fighter in the same era to me.

    Regardless even if you exclude Armstrong, it still isn't a given that Robinson was the greatest in his era.
     
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  8. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    I was bored for today ....but i know what I'm gonna do .....im gonna study ray robinson