Was RJJ at 168lbs the most unbeatable fighter ever?

You have a very poor eye if you think James Toney looked like his usual self that night. His body looked different(softer/plainer), his head looked different in comparative size, etc. Neck looked smaller. He was just different, he looked ill.

 

McClellan agreed to the Parks fight where Jones rejected.

Parks had dynamite in his fists.

 

No he didn't. Parks stopped all the same no-names everyone else stopped.

And McClellan didn't fight him, either. Because he had HIV.

 

I don't have a poor eye. Physically, James Toney looked bigger than he did at 160 and smaller than he did at light heavy. He entered the ring with a big weight advantage that night, and he still got owned.

That's okay. Everyone basically got owned by Roy Jones until Jones' 50th fight.

 

You must be blind.

 

He entered the ring after spending the night on dialysis.

Montell Griffin certainly owned Roy Jones nicely.

 

Hearns, Duran, Roldan and an undefeated Mugabi. Imagine beating all of those killers. Obel and Sibson were nasty too.

 

Where were those punchers ranked? Not disagreeing, just curious. I'm always seeing videos of RJJ saying that he always wanted to fight the best to be considered the king of the hill. Also, Tito was still a puncher at middleweight.

 

Nowhere near as good as Nino, Valdez 2*, Griffith 2*, prime Briscoe and Napoles.

That roster would beat Hagler's H2H and are more accomplished at the weight.

 

Lacy was also a puncher, and Thornton, of course. Toney could punch a bit, but not like a Nigel Benn.

 

Welterweights. Marv beat peak natural middles on that death row Philly/East Coast circuit when cancelled out of the world title scene, ie Eugene Hart, Bennie, Monroe, Bob Watts et al. THEN your Hitman Hearns' and Beast Mugabi's when near a decade past his best, and still won in all out wars without keeping them on the end of a stick. Amazing.

 

If he spent the night on dialysis, he'd have been hospitalized in serious condition.

I think Donald McRae would've mentioned he was speaking to Toney the night before from Toney's hospital room in the book Dark Trade if that had been the case.

That's a total fabrication. He added as much weight as every super middleweight does after fights today. It's just the first time a TV network weighed them before they got in the ring and didn't realize they were rehydrating that much.

Nothing more than that.

Is this forum going to be a clown show for the second day in a row? Dialysis?

 

As selected by The Ring magazine in the April 1994 issue.

Pound For Pound

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. James Toney

 

Eubank Sr was nowhere near the greatet at all.

 

There's two welterweights there... one of which would be Marvin's best win. And Monzon beat him twice.

Marvin's best win is a welterweight... and he lost to a welterweight!

Okay? None of those are actually that note worthy, given that two are losses, Hart was never much and Monzon handled a prime Bennie much easier in the rematch.

Monzón did his best work after he won the title.

Near a decade? FOH

Hagler's best performances were in the early 80s, these were in the mid 80s. How is that 'near a decade'? It's 'near half a decade'. Also, peak Valdez would kick ten bells of **** outta every one of Hagler's middleweight opponents and Monzón beat him clearly in his final fight.

Griffith would beat Roldan, Sibson, Durán ect. Hell, he'd only lose to Hearns, who wouldn't beat Valdez...

Monzón > Hagler