Was RJJ at 168lbs the most unbeatable fighter ever?

Crazy

 

He wasnt at SMW when Roy was

 

Man you are way too deluded to even try to reason with.

I'm not even a Collins fan really, I would much rather watch RJJ fight, but the facts are there.

It was a clear duck.

You can't change history.

I don't even get why it means so much to you.

 

Why am I deluded?

I have given you the FACTS.

Roy’s team and HBO made an offer to Collins.

Collins wasn’t interested at the time because he was preparing for Benn.

Collins’ team then made Roy a counter offer, but Roy was preparing for Griffin.

Collins then retired.

How is that a duck?

In 1999, Roy told his long term advisor to make the fight. His advisor was locked into negotiations. But the head of HBO didn’t want the fight.

How was that a duck?

It’s you who’s ignoring the facts.

 

07 Sep 1996

Steve Collins last night issued a world-title challenge to American superstar Roy Jones and vowed: "I'll prove I'm the best - but I'm not hanging around for ever."

The Irishman's promoter Frank Warren has made a pounds 2 million-plus offer for a unification contest between WBO super-middleweight champion Collins and IBF king Jones.

But Collins, determined to turn himself into a fistic legend, won't wait indefinitely for the showdown.

And the Dublin hero reckons unbeaten Jones - rated by many as the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world today - hasn't fought anyone of any note yet!


6th of September 1996 Collins team put an offer in of £2m...
That's 2 days after RJJ beat Bryant Bannon AT SMW, for what was likey around £1m.


-RJJ ducked Collins.

-RJJ would've likely beaten Collins.

-You are a fanboy.

All of these are facts.

 

Toney was a disinterested WBU guy then.

 

No he wasn’t.

He’d just had a close rematch with Griffin and he had huge respect for Mike McCallum.

 

Collins was special.

 

Griffin wasn't considered anything special.

Yes, he was.

 

Deluded? Try deranged.

 

Are you aware of how many times Glass Jaw Roy did this very EXACT same thing?
You are totally clueless and once again are full of contradictions. It’s ok for Roy to do the very same thing you accuse other fighters of doing. You have two sets of rules one for your Glass Jawed hero and another set of rules for everyone else. This is why people on here don’t take you seriously.

 

Brilliant.

If you can still access them, there’s many old articles to look through.

This article is only one of them. And you’ve not even published it in its entirety.

Again, you’re only looking solely from Collins’ perspective.

At this point, Roy’s team had already made Collins an offer. Also, Collins had already got his rematch with Benn lined up. It says that in your article, yet you have conveniently missed that part off.

At this point, Roy was still hoping to fight Frankie Liles for the WBA title, and he’d been negotiating with Hopkins too.

Regarding his purses, he’d made $3m for Pazienza, $2.2m for Sosa, and when he couldn’t fight Liles, he decided to take on a new challenge at LHW, where he fought McCallum for $2.8m. And that was in the same month that Collins faced Benn.

Collins said he’d have been willing to fight Roy at SMW or LHW, but he retired the following year.

Collins’ comments were laughable.

“He hasn’t fought anyone of note yet”

He was deluded.

 

Here’s 2 articles from 1999:


Jones clash heads for KO
By Harry Mullan
15 Jan 1999

Professional boxing is a world of hidden agendas, lies and bluff, but the confusion surrounding Steve Collins' date with Roy Jones is setting new standards.

It is hard to believe that a shrewd and streetwise pragmatist like Collins, a man who has always cherished his own reputation, would run the risk of exposing himself to publicridicule by announcing the fight was on if there was any doubt about it, but if we are to believe Murad Muhammad, the American's promoter, this is precisely what hashappened.

Mohammad insists that there is no question of Jones facing Collins in Las Vegas, Dublin or anywhere than in the Irishman's imagination. He refutes the support which Jones' manager, Stanley Levin, has given to the fight, and says that Levin must either have exceeded his authority to speak for the fighter, or else has been misquoted or misinterpreted.

Yet, Levin, a Florida lawyer, who gives the impression of operating on a rather higher moral plain than is customary in this business, stands by his word. There is clearly a split in the ranks, and one possibly significant aspect of the affair is that Mohammad is trying to steer Jones into a light-heavyweight championship unification match with IBF title holder, Reggie Johnson. Jones already holds the WBC and WBA versions.

When Johnson beat Collins for the middleweight title in New Jersey a few years ago, Mohammad was involved as Johnson's representative. Their current relationship is unknown, but the cynical viewpoint, which is often the most accurate and rewarding, could be that he is pushing for the Jones v Johnson match with the tempting prospect of earning from it in both capacities, as promoter and through his "piece" of Johnson, if he has such an arrangement.

Such deals, known as double dipping, are commonplace in American boxing circles.

The American press reported the announcement that the Collins fight is on, but without any comment from Jones or Mohammad.

The match would have a degree of credibility in America, where Collins is still well remembered and accorded more respect than most European fighters are accustomed to receiving over there.

Jones is known to be growing increasingly bored with the lack of challenges on offer for him, and whatever doubts about the Collins match there may be in the Florida camp, they are unlikely to be coming from the man himself. As always, though, the money men will have the last word. If Jones' TV backers at HBO want the fight it will happen: if they don't, Collins faces the prospect of an excruciatingly embarrassing public climb down.

The latter may still be the case.

HBO chief, Lou Dibella, last night insisted there had been no contact between himself and either the Collins or Jones camp on the possibility of a fight.

Dibella, who as chief of the network to which Jones is contracted, would have to okay such a deal, said in a telephone conference: "There would be little or no interest in Collins v Jones in America. Collins has not fought in a year and a half and although he was a very good champion there would not be a great deal of interest in him in America at the moment. If he wants to fight someone else before Roy Jones then interest may pick up.

"I would like to see Collins fight Joe Calzaghe, who holds Collins' former super middleweight crown. Calzaghe is an exciting fighter, whom we have earmarked to fight Roy Jones at some stage. At the moment Reggie Johnson, the IBF light heavyweight champion, is the one who I feel most deserves a shot at Jones. However, if Collins was to fight Calzaghe possibly on a Jones undercard, then the winner could meet Jones in their next contest," said Dibella.

The likelihood of Collins fighting anyone but Jones is slim, given that he has consistently said that he would only come out of retirement to meet Jones. Dibella said he had spoken to Murad Muhamad, but had not had any contact with either Collins or his solicitor, Brian Delahunt, when they were in Florida last weekend.

Collins' solicitor, Delahunt, said yesterday that he had been talking with Stanley Levin, Jones' attorney, regarding the contest, and that negotiations had been taking place between those two.

On the possibility of Jones and Collins, he said there would be no further announcements until negotiations took place between Jones' camp and Collins' camp with HBO.


http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BOXIN...;+Collins+must+prove+himself+to...-a060396114

 

Because you say so?

 

Hopkins remember wasn't known at the time, just another fighter. And Toney didn't count according to Collins because he watched him train for Jones and says he was drinking huge bottles of Sprite in ice buckets instead of water, and doing speed ball with no rounds for ages with leisurely breaks and gut hanging over. In sparring he just led on the ropes. Collins was in Vegas training on his own at the same gym as Toney, for his fight in Hong Kong with Lonnie Bradley.

Toney liked and respected him. Told Collins to shut up Eubank and Benn. Steve begged him to train harder for Jones.