Manny Pacquiao's Top 7 Wins are greater than any Floyd's win

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  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    You have no positive test and he was cleared. At the end of the day his win counts and was factored into him getting fighter of the decade. You being bitter and having an opinion won't change that.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    There was no positive test, as it was obviously flushed out with 750ml of saline.

    I’m not bitter.

    I have no love for Manny and I’ve always said that Floyd would have beaten him with his speed and his huge reach.

    The issue I have, is people like you turning a blind eye, whilst at the same time, you’re claiming that it was Manny who wouldn’t do the testing.
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    The contents of the iv were tested it was clean. He tested negative before this iv and after. I will take the word of the authority over some guy on a boxing forum sorry.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Of course the contents were clean.

    It was saline.

    You’ll take the word of the authority?

    Which one?

    USADA, who don’t do CIR tests, test both samples and report things?

    Or the NSAC, who didn’t even know anything about it until 3 weeks later?

    I’ll take the FACTS that Hauser documented over those corrupt and incompetent organisations, any day of the week.
     
  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    I won't take the word of a hack like Hauser with an agenda. He's no more credible than a fan on a boxing forum. The nsac and USADA are the authorities not hauser not you. Their word is law they investigated and the case is closed.
     
  6. M.3

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    I really really hate to get involved in this again after years and years of taking about it, but if USASA is so incompetent and is Floyd's personal testing people, why was he worried enough to flush out his system the night before the fight, how did he get caught in his own home without him knowing that they were there, and how did he get caught by his own people who are paid off? I'm sure everyone would agree that the whole IV thing is a red flag that brings up a lot of questions, but it isn't a smoking gun.. At this point no one will ever know unless he comes out and just reveal everything for some reason, but then again if he was telling the truth is already revealed..lol This is why I don't care anymore...lol
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thomas Hauser is a highly respectable journalist and author of over 20 years experience.

    Agenda?

    He doesn’t have an agenda.

    He wasn’t just looking specifically at Floyd.

    He was looking at boxing in general.

    Also, his personal opinion on the matter doesn’t alter any of the facts that he documented.

    Facts and opinions are 2 completely different things.

    Yes, USADA and the NSAC are the authorities. But the facts are:

    USADA didn’t fulfil their legal obligations, and the NSAC didn’t know anything about the matter.

    Think about that for a second.

    The head of the NSAC who hosted the biggest fight in the history of the sport, knew absolutely nothing of the incident until nearly a month afterwards.

    Yet you don’t see an issue, because they said everything was cool?

    Have a word with yourself.
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I didn’t want to go through it again really, but it irks me when these fans of Floyd’s don’t even question it, whilst at the same time they’re telling everyone how it was Manny who held up the fight for years as he wouldn’t do the testing.

    Regarding your questions, we obviously don’t know the specifics. We don’t know when he was previously tested. But we know they like to test after the weigh-ins. We know they went to his house after, but they didn’t notify the NSAC.

    We have the facts that Hauser documented.

    We know there’s no way that Floyd could possibly have been severely dehydrated. It just wasn’t possible.

    We know that IVs are banned by WADA.

    We know the volume he took was illegal.

    We know that it should have been reported and Floyd should have been taken to a hospital.

    We know that if he’d have been dehydrated, that taking on fluids orally would have been far more beneficial to him.

    We know what his contract stipulations were.

    The whole thing is a smoking gun.

    Yes, I’m tired of it now too. Just like you are.

    We’ll leave it at that. But anyone who questions and accuses Manny, whilst ignoring the actions of Floyd, are complete jokers in my opinion.
     
  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Heads of companies or agencies are often the last to know in alot of cases. Theyre often too busy doing other things and not involved as much as their subordinates. Im not saying that is the case here but it happens. Like i said earlier an investigation was conducted and he was cleared case closed. You or others speculating won't change a thing.
     
  10. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    The head of the NSAC who hosted the biggest fight the sport has ever seen, had to have been made aware.

    The fact that they didn’t should set huge alarm bells ringing.

    There wasn’t an investigation.

    The two covered each other.

    I’m not speculating.

    We have more than a dozen FACTS to consider.

    We’ll leave it at that.

    I can’t be bothered.

    You know.

    I know that you do.
     
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  11. ayala

    ayala Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don’t like to compare them. They both are excellent Fighters that have change the entity of boxing especially when it comes to $$. The nite they boxed Floyd was the better man. He’s style can be all wrong for pac. They will both be an all time great
     
  12. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    Because the less people know, the better off they all are. You think the CEOs of big companies who get caught told the entire accounting team that he's stealing and to not look too hard into discrepancies?

    :risas3:
     
  13. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    On what basis is Hauser a hack? He would get sued if that article contained anything less than the truth.
     
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  14. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    “USADA has historically been recognized as the world’s leading anti-doping authority. However, my experiences to date with them have been less than acceptable and less than professional,” said Bob Bennett, the executive director of the Nevada commission. He cannot have it done at his house and [USADA] can’t authorize it.... I have specifically articulated and memorialized to USADA that [NSAC] is the sole authority that can authorize a therapeutic-use exemption for a fighter in the state of Nevada. USADA never told us prior to the IV that they had their own TUE, and they never kept us informed about it being administered. If they think they can do what they want, where and whenever they want in the state of Nevada, they are grossly mistaken." — Bob Bennett

    This was the initial statement from Bob Bennett when the story first broke. He was obviously blindsided and this was the only appropriate response... But then SIX DAYS later...

    "Mr. Mayweather has done nothing wrong. The Nevada State Athletic Commission has no interest in any type of investigation regarding his IV. He did not violate the WADA Prohibited List for any type of drugs that are prohibited on that list, and we have no interest in it whatsoever."

    Bob Bennett shut that **** down QUICK!!! After he received that duffel bag full of Benjamins.

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  15. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Means nothing dummy he most likely didn't have the full story but then the investigation started. The fact is his organization cleared pbf and the results of the schooling stand. Now laugh at 118-110 :risas3: