Could have Mike Tyson reigned as champion for 3 years in the 1960's ?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, what an amazing athlete Berbick was. Do you seriously mean to say Terrell, Folley or Floyd couldn't have beaten Berbick? An absolute shell of Ali gave him a good fight, for god's sake. And Berbick was actually, together with Spinks, on the best run of any of Tyson's challengers. At least of the ones he beat.
     
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    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    What I find so interesting that a fighter, Mike Tyson is co- dependent on Kevin Rooney, a great fighter is resilient, unless he has an IQ of 35, Look at all the other greats of the past, Joe Louis had Chappy Blackburn, but when he passed, Joe continued as a champion with another trainer. Dundee was not in Ali's corner when he fought Jimmy Ellis, and Ali stopped Ellis, who had Dundee. Co dependency is a sign of mental illness. Excuses are like James Buster Douglas kayoing Tyson, he had time to train like Douglas did. Muhammad Ali of the 60's would have stopped the likes of Douglas, speed kills. And he would have defeated a co dependent Tyson as well.Tyson had good sparring partners, Robyn Givens and Ruth Roper. Who lasted longer ? Mike Tyson was a flash in the pan, essentially a one hit wonder.
     
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  3. Bokaj

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    I agree. You can't say a fighter is the best and at the same time say he is dependent on one person. Even as more or less the finished product. If Tyson needed Rooney to beat the likes of Douglas, he was just not that great..
     
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  4. mark ant

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    D`Amato spotted Ali was getting hit too much in sparring for his first clash with Fraziwe but Dundee said that was fine, D`Amato knew far more about boxing than Dundee did.
     
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    Not to boast, but I have a degree in Psychology, retired after working on a mental unit, I retired after 34 years of employment. I have seen co- dependent individuals and sad to say they lack maturity.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    You need expet tutoring to be a great fighter some can fight on instinct but you need a trainer to remind you of the fundamentals, Tyson`s corner had zero advise on how to catch Douglas, it`s all about tactics and a prime Tyson was the perfect fighting machine.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Tyson in his prime had quicker combo`s than Douglas, he hardly threw any at Buster.
     
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  8. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    True, but Ali was not holding on to Dundee's apron strings, a great fighter has to do it on his own. If you fail without your nursemaid, you were never great to begin with, that is my point, still not sold on Tyson beating Ali. What was Rooney supposed to do ? wipe his nose for him. If Tyson was that mighty, he would have beat Douglas on his own. It is the fighter that is in the ring, not the trainer.
     
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    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Tyson did not have quick enough hands to defeat a prime Ali though. But Douglas kayoed Tyson, my friend.
     
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    Oh,again magic Rooney myth!
    Tyson with Rooney was almost beaten by one handed Tucker and journeyman Tillis!
    Rooney was not known as great trainer,ask Pazienza!Rooney tried to convert him in another Tyson!
    As for Rooney,Tyson with Rooney beat Spinks in 1st round,so without Rooney he could fight!
     
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  11. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Kevin Rooney tucked him in bed too ? A lot of fighter's do know what to do in a boxing ring, and they do it. He was not the sharpest tool in the shed. A fighter with skill and intelligence beats him.
     
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    He would ducked everybody and fight bums!
    Cooper,Patterson,Machen...maybe Williams!
    But Liston,Chuvalo and Bonavena would be not included!
    Especialy Muhammad Ali in 1966/1967!
     
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  13. Bokaj

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    If you a as mature fighter, not a young amateur, need someone do remind you what to do, you're not great. Simple as that.

    Give me one other athlete who's said to be among the greatest in his sport and at the same time said to be as dependent on one person when at the peak pf his powers. Just one.
     
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  14. Bokaj

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    I was being sarcastic.
     
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    I know!But I just quoted wrong man!I made mistake and quoted your post instead his!
     
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