Could have Mike Tyson reigned as champion for 3 years in the 1960's ?

Apologies to Sangria and Johnny_B we have a new leader in the Tyson apologist, suck hole stakes.

Stop that bottom lip a-quivering numbnuts. You’ve won something...finally!

 

Ali beats him.

Liston in the 69s probably wasn't good enough, although if pick the 57/58 version to beat Tyson.

Frazier could beat him, but maybe too green in the 60s? He'd probably need to be at his all time peak.

 

What!
GOAT Carnera you’ve dropped back to second place again. Come on Sangria you’re not in the race now.

Johnny_B is now writing fantasy to big up the little ******. Fringe contender Douglas with his sh1t KO ratio over bums is a better puncher than Ali? Next you’ll be telling us he was a better fighter you ****ing idiot. Mighty prime Mike got his head kicked in by a punchline. If he wasn’t in shape that’s on him. He deserves to be down graded as a fighter for being an unprofessional arsehole.

And Tyson was 50% for 5 years older and untold more ring wear and tear Holyfield now? How did you deduce that figure? Was Tyson minus half his limbs now? He got his sh1t pushed in by a better, tougher, more tested and proven fighter. Watching his fans scrabble for excuses over that is almost as beautiful as watching Tinkerblell stumble all over the ring with Evander pounding his head in.

 

****ing Jimmy Ellis almost did it, but the decade ran out. Of course Tyson could.

 

That’s the sensible and educated opinion.

Tyson fans don’t roll that way which is why I go savage on them. They’re pathetic.

 

Well, I'm a fan of Tyson's 80s fighting too...but am firmly grounded in what happened both before and after. Buster basically did a second rate 60s Ali job of beating Tyson. Note the "second rate". In other words, Douglas did what Ali would have done to Mike in the 60s, if Ali had a bad cold lol.

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As good as Mike was at his best (and he was devastatingly good, with a massively underappreciated defense) he wouldn't keep from getting slashed to ribbons, woefully intimidated, run down, beat to the punch, and ultimately slapped silly by prime Ali. That's only my opinion, but I just don't see Mike even landing flush much the first five rounds...and that in itself would be the beginning of the end for him. Check how frustrated he became when Holyfield first bitched him off in the staredown of the second fight, then kept taking his punches and coming back. Mike gave up. And that was a well past it Holyfield. Precious few would put even prime Holy up next to prime Ali, and Holy kicked the **** out of a 30 year old Tyson.

 

Stop, do not distract. Its a question about you, not me.
I can see you getting emotional, writing about "Tinkerbell", "mighty prime Mike" or "the little ******", but lets try to breath calm, see the light and feel the fresh air.
Is there a chance for you to brake out of that "Tyson Dystopia" ?
Look. You occur like an idiot. Thats why I´m repeatedly asking:

"Honestly, can you take yourself serious here anymore?
Aren´t you yourself the last die hard Tyson hater on the Classics, with even SwagEel and Wass1985 matured on Tyson threads?"

Not so sure about Swag, he might stay hibernated waiting for a trigger. Maybe when the Sonny Liston clock rings.

Caution. Didn´t you know you might look like a Tyson Nuthugger here? Please exercise restraint.

 

When was Mike Tyson ever “ average “ ?

 

Yes, Ali is a better boxer than Douglas, but to say he punched harder it means you don't know **** about boxing. Ali possessed many qualities, punching power was not one of them. Plus Douglas had far better fundamentals than Ali.
And Tyson was not prepared at all for the Douglas fight, so that loss means nothing

No, it's what the outcome would be, whether or not you deluded Ali fanboys care to accept it or not.
Styles make fights and Tyson is all wrong for Ali. Frazier was half the boxer Tyson was, and he totally beat Ali in their first fight.
Tyson would destroy Ali.

 

You're the ****ing idiot, not me. KO ratio does not tell the whole story. You might have all the power in the world, if you are not skilled enough to connect, then it's irrelevant. Nobody is saying Douglas is among the hardest punchers, but he sure hit a lot harder than Ali.
In case you didn't know, Douglas's heart was never completely into boxing and he never dedicated himself and trained hard enough up until the Tyson fight, when he promised his mother he'd win the title for her.

We are not discussing here where he ranks among the greatest HW's, just how well would a prime Tyson cope in the 60's.
That means we take the best version of Tyson, not the unprepared one, you dummy

Again, you show that you are clueless. He was not the same fighter cause he had not honed his skills in years, and he no longer possessed that amazing defense, which was the key to his success. 90's Tyson was just a head-hunter.

 

You're going to find your opinions a hard sell amongst the majority around here...and with the majority of boxing fans, scribes, and trainers as well.

I choose to respectfully agree to disagree.

 

That's cause people confuse greatness with the outcome of a prime vs prime fight.
Ali was undoubtedly greater and had a better career, but that does not mean he would beat Tyson.
Another great example is Genne Tunney, who arguably is among the top 20 greatest boxers of all time p4p. Tunney has around 70 fights and just 1 loss to Grebb, a guy he beat on several other occasions.
Yet anyone with a brain can tell you that Tunney doesn't stand a chance against someone like for example Liston, despite having a much better career.

 

I was being sarcastic.

 

Please! Why would I be emotional over a boxing forum? Are you taking this thing and yourself a bit too seriously?

I’m pouring scorn and derision on Tyson and his fans. It’s their stock in trade when someone gives someone a chance against their hero. And it’s glaringly obvious you don’t like it in return hence you trying the condescending, sneering tosser approach now. Nice try, didn’t work.

Ask yourself this? Which other highly rated HW champs
A) Got ktfo by a fringe contender in their prime?
B) Didn’t avenge that or any other loss
C) Never got off the floor to win a single fight
D) Fouled out in the most embarrassing display in HW history
E) Lost badly to every elite opponent he me met
F) Flat out quit in two fights and arguably fouled out in a third to quit again.

The answer is none of them. Yet people who should know better trumpet this guy as an all time h2h unbeatable monster. It doesn’t hold up under scrutiny yet you’re dishonest enough to ignore, gloss over and minimise these things. I’m not in a “Tyson dystopia” at all. You might need to think about taking a look outside your “Tyson utopia” though. There’s plenty of other wonderful things out there if you bother to experience it.

 

Chill my guy no need to get so emotional lol.