Floyd's resume.

Really? All because i have an issue with Zab being on that list? Which for SOME REASON you cannot understand why, even though I've clearly stated the reasoning?

 

You mentioned my momma which you have no right to! I can disagree with you as you can with me on any boxing issue respectfully . In fact I welcome different opinions as it would be very boring if we all think the same. Variety in opinions and views adds to the overall gaiety of our boxing community. If you say you are not disrespecting 2 weight world champion Zab Judah or mocking him which I thought you were and in your conscience and heart that is the truth then I will accept it. Another poster disrespected my mother hence I refuse to have any more dialogue with him. I will dialogue with you and do respectfully, cheekily and in good humour provided you take back the reference to my mother. Boxing is a great sport and noble art I love as do others on this site. I just feel there are lines that should not be crossed.

 

OMG really? You can't be this dense. YOU are the one who deiced to act an ass, and suggested schooling fore me. So get off your high horse please. You are taking this crap WAAY too personal. Even after YOU insult someone.

You are just hell bent on being obtuse and trying to hate EVERYTHING i say.

I provided goof reasoning about Zab's inclusion,. and you cry about some silly 'momma' joke that wasn't even funny or hurtful to begin with. It was actually lame.

I can;t help but wonder why you focus SO MUCH on a stupid joke and NOT on the reasoning I pus forth on Zabs inclusion to your list. I guess that's the battle you chose. No point in continuing this, unless you need to post again about the bad joke that really pissed you off. Just remember, you derailed this. Have a good weekend!

 

There's was no reason Manny could not have blood taken. Goes both ways is all I'm saying. Watch the video of Roach explaining why the fight didn't happen sooner. It was a direct answer to a direct question. It wasn't an unreasonable request at all. Testing like that happens all the time. Both fighters played their part in the fight not happening sooner. Haters will only have you believe Floyd was to blame. Thst just isn't the case.

 

I think this article that was written 10 years ago was onto something:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/401569/amp

"All of the usual sticking points have apparently been settled: fighters split of proceeds (purse), site (MGM Garden Arena...sorry Jerry Jones and Dallas Cowboy Stadium), the date (March 13th), weight limit and financial penalties for being over the weight limit. Therefore, it begs to question- Why would Manny Pacquiao hesitate and jeopardize the largest payday in modern boxing history?

Pacquiao apparently feels that the current Nevada State Athletic Commission's standards are adequate. He also states that he hates to have his blood drawn as required by Olympic-style testing, known as WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency or US Anti-Doping Agency) testing. Furthermore, he is superstitious and has never undergone this procedure before any of his other major fights.

Testing urine can find an illegal drop in a bucket. Testing blood can find an illegal drop in an Olympic-size swimming pool. Possibly far more important, current urine testing does NOT test for Human Growth Hormone (Hgh) and blood testing does"

 

Manny had a legitimate reason for his request.

We know what happened against Morales in 2005.

He gave blood, but his samples were somehow lost. So they legally had to take another sample for the fight to go ahead. But it was the day of the fight. So Manny had to give them another sample. And after the fight, he said that he felt weakened and it had affected his performance. And Morales agreed with him saying that he could tell a difference in the fight.

What you have to remember, is at the time of negotiations, no other boxer in the world was being tested in that manner in which Floyd wanted Manny to be tested.

The boxing landscape what much different back then to what it currently is.

It just wasn’t happening anywhere else. And Floyd didn’t have any issues with any of his other opponents, and nobody else had an issue with fighting Manny back then either.

Now Manny could have refused to do the testing outright. But he didn’t. He agreed but on the condition that he was granted a cut off. But a cut off that included an immediate after fight blood and urine test.

That should have been sufficient for Floyd.

Floyd actually agreed to a cut off, but they couldn’t reach a compromise on the number of days.

The saga then dragged on for years with silly things like Floyd wanting to offer a flat fee for all of the PPV revenue etc, until Manny publicly declared that in order to make the fight happen, he’d give Floyd exactly what he wanted. That he’d be randomly tested, including up until the day of the fight. But even when that was made public, still nothing happened. Floyd and Leonard Ellerbe didn’t desperately try to make the fight. They were quiet.

It wasn’t until Marquez had laid Manny cold that the negotiations restarted again.

So that told me right there that it was never the testing that prevented the fight from happening earlier.

Floyd then made a statement saying that he doesn’t fight to see who’s the best, he fights to make the most money.

He then issued another statement saying that it wasn’t the right time to fight Manny earlier.

It seems crystal clear to me.

They didn’t fight back in 2010-2011, because despite his public posturing, he simply didn’t want the fight at that point.

Anybody who truly believes that the fight not happening back then was due to Manny, is either naive, ignorant, or a fanboy of Floyd’s.

You only have to go back and look at how Floyd carried himself in interviews back then. He was so uncomfortable. Go and watch his attitude and his mannerisms. Go and watch how defensive and aggressive he was. Go and look at how he racially abused Manny through the media etc. Go and look back on how his family were feeding his mind, with claims such as: Manny was taking A Side Meth etc. You don’t have to be a psychiatrist to see that Floyd was spooked.

He just didn’t want to fight him back then.

He only fought him when he was comfortable in doing so.

Freddie Roach can have his opinion like anyone else. But the fact that it still didn’t happen even after he’d publicly agreed to everything, speaks volumes.

It will haunt Floyd forever.

It will always tarnish his legacy.

Beating Manny should have been epic, but now it’s not even classed as his best win.

 

What HOF's has Floyd ever KO'd ?? Heck he cowardly coldcocked a helpless defenseless Victor Ortiz with his hardest combination & Ortiz still nearly beat the count & ended up laughing. C'mon lets heat them this should be a laugh

 

Amazing resume
Amazing boxer

Really can't fathom how someone could say otherwise.

Even if you removed alot of Floyd's marquee wins he has a good resume. People forget that fighters like Sosa and Ndou were good world class fighters and good wins.

On a separate note where I don't think Floyd gets the credit he deserved was when he defended against Judah where he had it all to lose and little to gain.
Judah was the WW champ and a very good fighter but lost in an upset to Baldimor.
When Baldimor was champ it seemed there was more interest with some other fighters who weren't as interested in facing Judah but were interested in facing Baldimor.
Now Floyd could have just faced Baldimor and claimed himself the WW champ and passed Judah, who although having lost to Baldimor, I think was the more dangerous opponent. Instead Floyd made his first defence against Judah and I think that really deserved alot of respect.

 

He does not have to KO them all he has to do is win be it by decision or KO. As for Ortiz he got what he deserved. He blatantly head butts Floyd then tries to kiss him and make up then forgets the cardinal rule to protect yourself at all times. Yes Facts matter!

 

I don't think Floyd gets the credit he deserved was when he defended against Judah where he had it all to lose and little to gain.
Judah was the WW champ and a very good fighter but lost in an upset to Baldimor.
When Baldimor was champ it seemed there was more interest with some other fighters who weren't as interested in facing Judah but were interested in facing Baldimor.
Now Floyd could have just faced Baldimor and claimed himself the WW champ and passed Judah, who although having lost to Baldimor, I think was the more dangerous opponent. Instead Floyd made his first defence against Judah and I think that really deserved alot of respect

 

This is just one article from about a hundred which was written over the 5-6 year saga.

It doesn’t even acknowledge the incident with Morales, which was the exact reason why he wanted a cut off period.

Afterwards, we know that Manny agreed to be randomly tested for blood and urine, but he wanted a cut off. The cut off would also have included an immediate after fight blood and urine test.

Floyd wouldn’t grant his request.

Floyd then said he wanted to pay Manny a flat fee, but wanted to claim all of the PPV revenue.

Fast forward 2-3 years, and Manny told the media that in order to make the fight happen, he would agree to everything. Yet despite his statement, the negotiations didn’t resume until a long time afterwards.

It wasn’t until after the 4th Marquez fight that Floyd and Ellerbe started showing any interest again.

 

This actually has nothing to do with the context of my post. As I explained to Olu about 30 times, my only qualm was on the list of CONSECUTIVE champions he beat. Zab should NOT have had any belts after losing to Baldo. But politics play too large a role in boxing, so it it was it is....

 

C'mon name any HOF's Floyd KO'd He hasnt KO'd any legitimate contender in years not since fighting at 130. Fairy Fisted Floyd couldnt punch his way out of a wet paper bag ROFL
Dont forget Floyd's Uncle Joe forget to signal "box on " too didnt he. he was looking at Floyds corner for more instruction LOL

 

Fair enough
I hadn't looked at the back story of your posting and thought you were knocking what I always considered a very good win

 

Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, DeMarcus Corley, Ricky Hatton all look like potential HOFs and were World champions some of them in more than 1 division. Also clicked Victor Ortiz as well but like I have said he does not have to KO them all to establish his credentials all he has to do is win which he has done. However you live in your own parallel universe whereby anything Floyd does is bad.