March 8 1971, Madison Square Garden, Joe Frazier vs 1988 Iron Mike Tyson, 1

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  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Against Ali he was slower, smaller, less durable and weaker.
    Against Bonavena and Chuvalo he was less durable, smaller and weaker.
     
  2. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Again, I asked you in what fights to your opinion did he overcome a speed and power and chin (or size) disadvantage (at the same time)?
     
  3. 70sFan865

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    Against Ali, I answered you. Ali was more powerful man than Frazier.
     
  4. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    I give up :facepalm:
    You´re a student of Physics with an IQ of 139?
     
  5. 70sFan865

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    No, I had higher score ;) To be honest, it was a long time ago when I was a child and IQ could decrease with age, so maybe I'm not anymore. As I said in different thread, I'm just a regular student. Not a genius.

    What is so tough to understand? Ali wasn't a puncher but he didn't lack power or strength. He stopped quite a few durable fighters in his prime.
     
  6. Golden_Feather99

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    We can look at Frazier-Quarry 1. Early in the fight, Quarry was hammering Frazier with clean punches on the inside. Frazier was a slow starter and it took him a few rounds to get going. And he got hit a lot in those first few rounds against Quarry. That's on the inside, that's Frazier's territory. I can't see Frazier making it out of the early rounds against Tyson. Because he's gonna fight Tyson the same way he fought Quarry. Something that will get Frazier in trouble is his fixation with body-punching. Quarry was able to time Frazier with counters when he went to the body. Quarry had success countering with left hooks and right hands on the inside. Frazier drops his right hand or its already low when he throws a left hook, leaving him open for counter left hooks. And naturally, you leave yourself open for a right hand counter when you throw a left hook to the body. Tyson was a well-schooled counter-puncher and he was also one of the quickest fighters in heavyweight history. Frazier will get hit, he'll get hurt, and I don't think he'll recover. I just think Tyson has the right style to beat Frazier. It's not just heart and determination that wins fights. Otherwise Norton and Frazier would've beaten Foreman. Or at least held their own against him. Foreman was the better fighter that night and the better fighter usually wins.
     
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