Muhammad Ali VS Lennox Lewis

Lewis didn't struggle with good jabbers? Mercer? Ali is ten times the fighter than Mercer was.

Lewis does not have the stamina for a 15 round fight. His work rate wasn't exceptional even in a 12 rounder, let alone 15.

 

Lewis never catched Mavrovic with many power punches, and Holyfield has a far better chin than Ali. And Lewis hadn't reached his prime when he faced Billups.
Ali has never been hit by someone who could punch as hard as Lewis.

 

Ali was specialized in neutralizing hard punchers. He neutralized Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Lyle and Shavers. He would have found a way to neutralize Lewis too.

 

This is so wrong in my opinion. No heavyweight in history was as physically strong as Foreman,
and the way Foreman fought was designed for him to use that great strength unlike Lewis
who was more an European stand up boxer, that either fought from long range, or tied
his opponent up until he could get back to long range. Foreman, with his great
physical strength couldn't manhandle Ali with a style based on him using his
strength , but Lewis who's style wasn't based on strength will over power Ali?
Please....
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Lol.

Foreman is a bigger puncher than Lewis ever was and hit Ali with incredibly hard body shots. Ali took all of them.

Holyfield has a far better chin than Ali? Based on what? Holyfield was stopped by Bowe, Ali was NEVER stopped in his prime.

Lewis isn't stopping Ali in a billion years. Ali has a far better chance of stopping him.

 

And Lewis did hit Mavrovic with many power punches.

Lol at Lewis stopping ALi. Hilarious stuff. Yes, the guy who couldn't stop any iron chinned fighter that he ever faced (Holyfield, Mercer, McCall, Tua) is going to magically stop Ali.

 

Lennox? The guy Bruno outboxed?
Whose best win is a prime Shannon Briggs who took it to him and almost won but lost to a forty nine year old Foreman?

 

There is no proof whatsoever that Foreman was a harder puncher. But even if he was, as you stated yourself, he only hit Ali with body shots, he never landed any clean head shots. And that is cause: he was too slow, the ropes were loose and Ali was leaning on them and Foreman wasn't the most skilled out there.
Lewis is far more skilled than Foreman and is also faster, he will clearly land.

The fact that Ali was never stopped is irrelevant. Plenty have never been stopped, it does not mean they have the best chin.
Ali was never stopped cause the only big puncher he faced in his prime (Liston) never hit him clean.
If a cruiserweight like Cooper could send Ali to dreamland, it's safe to say that if Liston or Foreman ever connected, it's lights out for Ali.

If Lewis manages to connect, he definitely stops him. The only question is whether he manages to do that or not.
As for Ali, he's too weak of a puncher to ever stop someone like Lewis.

 

Lewis best win is Briggs?

 

Liston did land hard shots on Ali when Ali was struggling with his vision. Did nothing.

Foreman landed some hard head shots. Ali took them. The loose ropes were a ridiculous excuse from Foreman and co.

And no, Lewis is not faster than Foreman. Lewis was slow compared to Ali and Ali would beat him to the punch.

Ali faced Liston, Shavers, and Foreman. No one stopped him. Shavers landed plenty of hard rights on Ali. Now you are going to claim that Shavers wasn't a hard puncher, too? Lol

Cooper hurt an inexperienced cruiserweight version of Ali. Ali got a lot bigger, stronger and more confident. That's an absurd argument. Liston did connect when Ali couldn't see and it did nothing.

Ali has the best chin among all heavyweight champions. None of the big hitters could stop him. Liston did hit him clean. So did Shavers. And Foreman did a few times.

Which iron chinned heavyweight did Lewis ever stop? Please tell me. He couldn't stop a bloated Mercer, an aging Holyfield, Tua or even a crying McCall. Lewis can connect all he wants, he isn't stop ALi. No Way.

 

And there is proof that Foreman is a better puncher than Lewis.

Foreman was a much better two handed puncher than Lewis. Foreman had a great right hand and right uppercut like Lewis did. But Foreman had a better left hook and a better left uppercut.

Holyfield stated that Foreman hit him so hard, he felt his teeth had been knocked out. This was an older Foreman btw.

Anyone who has actually seen Liston-Ali 1 knows that Liston landed some very powerful shot on Ali when Ali was struggling with his vision. Foreman landed a few jolting rights to the chin even though Ali managed to avoid most of them to the chin. Shavers landed many exceedingly hard ones to the chin.

 

Not on paper but yes he is the best PRIME fighter he beat seriously.

 

Ali never fought anyone like Lewis and visa versa but speed may be the key in this fight and Ali had the speed - Lewis was a right hand bomber - Ali really suffered from left hooks (weakness)

I think Ali glides through the early rounds with Lewis in pursuit but Ali's combo's and jab and feet give Ali the slight lead going into the 8th and the speed of combinations and accuracy start to take there toll

going into round 10 and on Ali flurries and tests Lewis's stamina - I can see a Ali tko from 11-15 or a UD

 

You must have a very different idea of what a clean shot is. It's the kind of shots the likes of Cooper and Frazier hit him with.
Neither Liston nor Foreman caught him with such shots. Or are you implying they did, but that they did not hit as hard as Cooper and Frazier ?!

Shavers hit Ali's cheekbone with some overhand rights, not his jaw. And yes, I am claiming that Shavers is not as hard of a puncher as he's being hailed. His KO percentage proves that: 11 KO's in 23 fights against opponents that weighed around 215 pounds or more.
Plus Shavers wasn't very skilled. He barely threw any combos, just one punch at a time. And he had stamina issues.

Lewis is much faster than Foreman. Pretty much every top HW is.
Lewis is not faster than Ali, but he's fast enough to connect.

Age does not matter one bit when it comes to power, that is the last thing to go. Up until the age of 45, you pretty much retain your power.
That applies to Foreman more so than anyone, cause his punching power was not dependent on hand speed, he simply had very heavy hands.

There is no proof whatsoever that he had the best chin, it is just your opinion. In order to make such a claim, you'd have to have a time machine, bring all the ATG HW's together, and hit them with a device that delivers a equal punching power and only then you will have the definitive proof as to who has the best chin.
Plus none of those guys were as skilled as Lewis and only Shavers landed clean shots.

The same can be said about Ali. Liston quit due to injury, it went to the decision against Shavers and Foreman punched himself out.
And all the guys you mentioned had a better chin than Ali.