In most sports the current guys are better than previous eras, why would boxing be any different?

Dino,

Come and have a go with these clowns.

 

6’9 260lb that can move fast and fluidly with good reflexes of his own, against a better version of that but 6’3 210lbs.

Do the maths. Boxing is styles, and range. Ali could do a huge part of what he does in part due to his reach, height and speed advantage.

I mean think about it, fury pops a jab, Ali slips it, he now has to take 2 steps in to try reach fury. Massive disadvantage.

 

I you believe that boxers get better , then it has to believed that trainers get better too. Whose going to claim Ben Davidson and Abel Sanchez were better than Futch , Dundee or Arcel

This guy was born in the 1880s. His skill would easily get him on the P4P lists today

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Boxing isn’t based on maths.

Ali would still have had faster hand speed and feet.

He’d still have had more stamina.

Yes, Fury would have had a big reach advantage. But this isn’t evidence that he’d have wrecked him.

We could say Fury fires a jab, Ali slips it and changes his angles, and then Fury has to set himself for another shot.

Fury’s reach could be both an advantage and a disadvantage.

An advantage if he can hit the target.

A disadvantage if he missed and was then countered by the faster guy.

It would more than likely have been a very tough, technical match up.

Both guys may have been very cautious. But this is Muhammad Ali we’re talking about. You can’t just say Fury wrecks him because they had similarities but Fury is much bigger.

 

Are sure mate?

The footage is in black and white.

Ha!

 

ok so which sport is comparable then? Boxing is not a chosen divine sport.
And no i dont think that modern boxers are the best of all time, i think they are the best till now. In 80 years they will be irrelevant.
The big problem with a lot of you guys is that you just live in your own bubble where tommy hearns or duran is some sort of god, you give them titles like hof which are completely irrelevant and dont exist in any true form(not talking about the real hall of fame of course)
I like hearn and srl and i wished that i would have seen the mw divison of the 80 instead of the ggg reign. But ggg simply walks through all of them.

 

become a soccer pro or tennis pro at 21 and being absolut world class.

 

I’ve just watched it.

He had a great jab and great footwork.

His defence was fantastic.

Of course seeing as though the footage is a bit grainy, he’d have had no chance even competing today.

 

Based on what we are seeing top heavyweight are getting bigger and bigger since 50 years now. Sport science and training methods are so evolved that guys that are 6‘9 can have very good coordination despite their height.
I would not wonder if we will see a guy with the sIze of valuev that can move like fury.
And if someone that tall comes around with the athletics skill of todays hw, then i can assure you he would need less then 2 rounds for fury. Furys whole fighting style is based on the fact that he is that tall and heavy, thats the reason why he could stand out of range successfully against wlad and wilder and didnt get mauled by them. if he fights someone who is now taller and heavier then him and has skill his whole gameplan would fall apart. Just like when ali would fight fury now.

no one gives a fuk about those old boxers other then old people and no one is gonna give a fuk about fury in 60 years and i will not tell young fans in 60 years about boxers where better then today.

unless of course something strange happens

 

how on earth is that the case? The coaches could be exactly the same and the boxers could also be the same.
Now add better nutrition and boxers would be better without trainers getting better.

 

What do you mean they’re the best till now?

How can I live in a bubble if I hold the opinion, that: ANY BOXER FROM ANY ERA can beat anybody depending on how their styles match up?

That’s not living in a nostalgia bubble.

I know that some guys today could beat some guys of the past.

I also know that some guys of the past could beat some guys of today.

Because a fighters D.O.B. is of no relevance whatsoever.

Go and rewatch Andy Ruiz knocking out AJ and then tell me that Mike Tyson couldn’t have replicated that performance.

You have an obsession with other sports, when all you have to do is to open your eyes and remember the old adage: ‘styles make fights’

Let’s pretend for a second that Mike Tyson’s prime was in 1958 instead of 1988.

Let’s pretend the footage was of great quality.

You’d now be scoffing at the notion that he’d have been able to have gone a round with today’s guys, purely based on the fact that the footage was from over 60 years ago.

Now you are either a troll or you are an ignoramus.

Why will they be irrelevant in 80 years?

How can we just assume that the fighters in 80 years will be superior?

What is going to happen in the next 80 years?

There is no difference between a perfectly placed left hook today, to a perfectly placed left hook from 1950.

New new techniques have been invented. No new techniques will be invented.

I doubt very much that they will be new rules where people can use elbows etc.

The rules aren’t likely to change. But if they did, it would probably be the reduction of rounds.

Now tell me what Gennady Golovkin has ever done in his career to make you certain that he’d have walked through a guy like Hagler?

 

Tyson Fury is unique.

Are you going to assume that in 80 years there might be 20 Tyson Fury type fighters in the HW division?

You might not see another Tyson Fury type fighter for years and years.

They could be someone as big, but they might not be anywhere near as gifted.

The HW division in 80 years may be considerably weaker than what it is today.

How do we know?

The stupidest thing I’ve ever been told by any boxing fan, is when last week you told me that there’s no way Tyson could have beaten Wlad or Wilder had he have been slightly smaller in height.

Where does that line of thinking even come from?

And that Wilder can’t be beaten by anyone smaller, because he’s only ever been beaten by someone that was bigger.

Ha!

You’re hilarious.

Yes, knowledgeable fans will look back on today’s era in 60 years, just how we look back at Ali’s era with Liston etc.

 

I am not obsessed with other sports i just try to compare and you say that all my comparisons are not valid, then i asked you to name a sport that could be compred but you still didnt do that.Boxing is a sport so you can compare it of course.
They are the best for now cause they benefit from the latest evolution of sport science and knowledge. Peds, diet and trainingmethods just make up a giantic part of any sport.

here is what would happen if tyson went to the 50s in his prime:
He would ko literally anybody inside of 3 rounds people would seriously question if he was human. The athleticism, mass and technique would be so over top that no one would stand the slightest chance.
He would be unbeaten for many years but other boxerd would adapt his training methods, his technique and etc. resulting in the division becoming better as a whole and some day someone would beat tyson.

i would have mad respect for tyson and i would call him the biggest revolution of boxing.

I dont rate aj to high and i could imagine that tyson koes. Yet again tyson fought 16 years ago the last time thats not super long ago.

 

Ggg is the most ducked fighter in mw history as far as i now, with the longest title ko streak. His ko power was just surreal guys like canelo and bjs just ran away from him like small kids.

 

Bro i am sorry but its a fact. Wlad reign got ended by guys that were his size or taller. And everybody was hating on wilder all the time saying that any c class figgtw

well wilder only got beaten by someone who was taller then him right? And wlads career was also ended by guys that were his size or taller. Isnt that correct?


Dude only americans look back with few exceptions because they can not stand the fact they they are not at the top of sport.

americans dont bother watching stuff were they are not the best at.