Marvin Hagler would of been 65-1-1

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  1. quintonjacksonfan

    quintonjacksonfan Active Member Full Member

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    He clearly won his first fight with Watts and Antuofermo and the Leonard fight could of gone either way
    Emmanuel Stewart says he was the greatest middle weight of all-time and I agree
     
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    No argument from me.... I can come up with more reasons for,than against.
     
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    The best MW? I have him 3rd after R. Jones and Monzon
     
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    62-3-2 (52 kos) still ain't bad, though.
     
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    It's TREMENDOUS!
     
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    I agree that he should be 65-1-1 and that he edged Leonard. It was not a bad decision so I do respect the decision when factoring in the all-time rankings. Monzon got out as champ and I know many view that as being the edge.

    I personally think Hagler was a better fighter than Monzon but I probably have Monzon as a hair greater on the rankings. I would imagine both are in the top 4. Greb and Robinson arguably being #1 & 2.
     
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    Are full footages of Marvin's two Philly losses on film? If yes, was he really robbed?

    I scored the Leonard fight as a loss, by the way. So he cannot be undefeated in my eyes.
     
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    I don't think so. The loss to Bobby Watts is the one that's disputed; his loss to Willie Monroe in their first fight is the one that even Hagler acknowledged he lost. He avenged that defeat twice though - and the second fight, which I also don't believe is available on film, was supposed to be a war.
     
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    Got it; thanks.
     
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    Hagler’s quote after the first Monroe fight was telling: “I still have a few things left to learn. I have a feeling Willie already knows them.”
     
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    Stewart to me was always full of **** and his ideas followed an agenda. No way Hagler is the greatest MC ever. What does that make Duran & Leonard???
     
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    I'm worried you'll be crucified for that statement about Roy.
     
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    Hagler was absolutely flogged by Monroe so that ones for certain. I have him losing the SRL fight. 65-1-2 or whatever might be feasible for me.

    Seales always claimed he won their second biff but he would of course. I've never seen much ado about it being a draw but would be keen to see an at the time article.

    His first fight with Jimmy Owens was also a split decision and was close by the looks. How good would it be to have that to score just to round out all bases.
     
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    I do not think... it will not be long before many will adapt to this truth: nobody beats R.Jones in his prime..neither Monzon, neither Hagler, neither Robinson.
     
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    Hagler-Seales II has the strangest two scorecards you’ll ever see for the same fight: two judges had it 99-99 — one round each and eight even.
     
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