the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    1984-02-19, Non Title

    Scores TOS: 86-85, 88-86, 88-84
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    Round 1: Green 10-9, close.
    Round 2: Green 10-9, close.
    Round 3: Green 10-8, clear.*
    Round 4: Mugabi 10-9, close.
    Round 5: Green 10-9, close.
    Round 6: Mugabi 10-9, close.
    Round 7: Mugabi 10-9, clear.
    Round 8: Even 10-10, swing.
    Round 9: Green 10-9, close.
    Round 10: Mugabi TKO.

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    *Green beat him bad, especially when he had him up against the ropes. Mugabi's only success was when he pushed him back.
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    As per @scartissue's recommendation. Decent fight, but nothing crazy like I was (foolishly?) expecting. I prefered Green's fight with Fletcher. This was good though, lots of action and some heavy momentum swings, of course it shows Mugabi's limitations but everyone knows Mugabi was limited anyway so what does it matter?

    Weird, I was always under the impression that James' nickname was 'blood'. Huh, maybe that's the HWs. Green reminds me of Qawi. His bob and weave aggression is really similar, not to mention that they're similar sizes.
     
  2. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Damn, man - you got there fast!

    Re the nickname, you're probably thinking of Mitch Green whose nickname was Blood. Between Hard Rock and Blood, that's two fighters called Green with badass nicknames, though.
     
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  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, I think you were thinking of Mitch 'Blood' Green. Incidentally, I had it 86-86 at the time of stoppage, with all the officials favoring Mugabi. I totally enjoyed this fight.
     
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  4. salsanchezfan

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    This is very much the kind of fight that would have a huge spectrum of scores, as evidenced by the split verdict.

    Totally agree about being frustrated by Benton's insistence on being "cute." He could have and should have worked harder. Especially early. As the fight progressed though, I thought Benton just controlled the tempo and made Carter overthink. Equally frustrating was Carter's refusal to use the jab, which he never really used in fights I've seen in spite of how technically sound he was otherwise.
     
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  5. scartissue

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    Philly, I watched this fight today and hit search to see if anyone had scored this. When I first saw it live I thought Rosario had it pretty comfortable, but pen to paper it was a lot closer now than I remember it. Good tight fight. We had the same score with a few differing rounds on the British scoring system.

    Round 1: Randall
    Round 2: Randall
    Round 3: Even
    Round 4: Rosario
    Round 5: Randall
    Round 6: Randall
    Round 7: Rosario
    Round 8: Rosario
    Round 9: Rosario
    Round 10: Rosario

    Total: 98-97 1/2 Rosario

    Referee Gibbs had it 98 1/2 - 98, which I believe is something like 4-3-3 in rounds for Rosario. Credit it to Randall who fought those last two rounds with nothing but heart.
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

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    From what I've seen of these two, I figured this was an instant classic. I was wrong, but it was a damn good fight.
     
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  7. salsanchezfan

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    If only Green had even average power for his weight.
     
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  8. Jel

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    James Toney v Mike McCallum 2

    Very close from the start, this could have gone either way. A draw seemed about right. It lacked a bit of spark that their first fight had plenty of and Toney had fewer standout moments. McCallum's performance was pretty similar to the first fight. He lacked a bit of pop in his punches and that probably didn't help him with the judges.

    Honestly, one or two points either way would have been fine, which is why I find the two cards that were wide for Toney (117-110) completely off base. This was nip and tuck all the way. I thought half the rounds were close and five of those six I scored for Toney. No way should he have been 7 points up at the end.

    1 10-9 (close)
    2 9-10 (close)
    3 10-9 (close)
    4 9-10
    5 10-9
    6 9-10 (dead even at the halfway mark)
    7 10-9 (close)
    8 9-10
    9 9-10 (McCallum takes a slight lead for the first time on my card. Toney went to sleep a bit in that round)
    10 10-9 (close)
    11 10-9 (close)
    12 9-10 (decent final round from McCallum)

    Toney 114-114 McCallum
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

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    How come you didn't like this, Jel? Too brutal for you?
     
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  10. Jel

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    Yeah, pretty much. Sometimes I'm in the mood for a slugfest and sometimes not. I guess I wasn't this time.
     
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    Israel Vasquez - Rafael Marquez 1 and 2

    Two brilliant fights with two proud warriors whose styles mesh perfectly. High quality, clean fighting with virtually no holding, dynamite combinations, knockdowns... in short, great.

    Both fights were tremendous battles but the second was even better than the first. The third of course was amazing too.

    RBRs:

    Rafael Marquez v Israel Vasquez 1

    1 10-9
    2 10-9
    3 8-10 (great round. Marquez rocks Vasquez then gets knocked down straight after)
    4 10-9 (good recovery from Marquez)
    5 10-9 (big moment- Vaquez turns away after getting nose nose broken)
    6 10-9
    7 9-10 (close)
    (67-65)
    Marquez RTD Vaquez at end of round after Vasquez can't continue

    Israel Vasquez v Rafael Marquez 2

    1 9-10
    2 10-9
    3 10-9 (great round - Marquez wobbled and then he fights a great rear guard action to nearly take a share of the round but Vasquez edges it at the end)
    4 10-10 (this is even better than the first fight)
    5 10-9 (yeah, this is actually better. Vasquez down but ruled no knockdown and then hits back hard matched by Marquez. Just phenomenal stuff.)
    (49-47)
    6 Vasquez TKO Marquez (ref correctly jumps in and stops after Vasquez had put Marquez down and Marquez is badly hurt from Vazquez's follow up)
     
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  12. McGrain

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    Timothy Bradley UD12 Juan Manuel Marquez

    What an absolutely fascinating fight. Two expert counterpunchers, one an absolute genius who has travelled all the way from super-bantamweight and yet he is the puncher in the contest. Marquez maintains the speed, too. Not that suspicious at all...anyway, Marquez takes round 1 with two uppercuts and a gorgeous left hook. Bradley took care of the left hook in the first two minutes but Marquez definitely landed it at the end there.

    Bradley is aggressive and flashing in the second! Marquez stalks him though, then finds him with narrow punches. However, Bradley has been launching bigger punches throughout the round and landing or half-landing them. I give him the edge in two. Magical last five seconds to the round as they lash at each other in Bradley's corner. Bradley takes the third, too, on the jab, which is what he wants. That's the fight he wants. Avoiding the brawl, showing Marquez different angles with quick feet, shooting out single scoring jabs, seeing what else gives.

    And rounds is the answer. I have him 3-1 up after four. Marquez needs to be careful here - if he loses the next two he's cast adrift. Must win one or the other. I gave Bradley a very close fifth. Arguable. Marquez stuck his chin out like "hit me" and got jabbed in the face in the final seconds of the round, and that'll do as a tiebreak. Drawn round under a civilised scoring system though. Marquez is in trouble. I do remember him having a better second half to the fight though. Marquez is struggling to land his flurries. Bradley is just dipping to his right and coming in under the punches.

    After seven, I have Marquez in need of a knockdown or knockout. Bradley's just outsped him, dipped and slipped well, he's not beating himself up for missing just going right back to work, he's in control of the fight and has forced Marquez to push. That said, Marquez feels physically closer in the eighth and he takes more opportunities to go to work, which naturally result. Good body-punching. Some good cuffing power-punches. Marquez has pitched the pressure just right in the eighth and ninth. Coming in a bit closer, risking a little bit more, it costs him to the body, but he's started landing that left hook, straight-right. Tries to steal an extra inch with very small steps in, inching in - Marquez wins the ninth pretty big. Bradley does hit him though.

    Marquez wins a highly arguable tenth. Marquez probably just about out-worked Bradley but Bradley landed a very nice left-hook. Arguable, arguable round. Marquez needs both the eleventh and twelfth to earn a draw on my card. The eleventh is very tough too, but Marquez lands the bigger punches throughout. Bradley looks tired, looking to jab and move, so hard when you're tired. Clear Marquez round by bell.

    So 6-6. Marquez made a gorgeous adjustment in the second half of this fight and brought some really special pressure on a tiring Bradley. Bradley did the damage in the first half of the fight though, got bit in the first, then just took over with boxing. Fascinating fight, no problem with the official scorecards of 115-113, 113-115 and 116-112.

    Bradley:2,3,4,5,6,7
    Marquez:1,8,9,10,11,12

    114-114
     
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  13. McGrain

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    Kell Brook MD12 Shawn Porter

    Porter outworks Brook ugly in the first, Brook, keen on ring centre, working in inches, back a little, forward a little, Porter looking to establish his jab which is fun, Brook arguably just stemming the flow a bit here, expecting the fast start. He doesn't want many like this though. Brook shows something else in the second, moving a bit more, giving Porter space to stem into, counterpunching not too badly; Brook is still outworking him though. Fun fight. Oh, Brook cut to the left eye by an accidental headbutt.

    Brook lands a hard right hand near the beginning of the third and Porter just sets off to have a think about it. He circles for a bit and suddenly looks like he maybe doesn't want to be quite so aggressive. He re-commits to the pressure in the second half of the fight, but Brook is controlling more of this now, he's sort of made his peace with having his rhythm busted. Third goes to Brook and the fight is on.

    Brook takes the fourth with good bodyshots and the pressure. He's doing well in these untidy rounds, he's focused and driven. The problem is, this is a demanding fight plan. Porter must fade if Brook can start hitting him more regularly. In the meantime, Porter is just handling Brook inside, outstanding him, pulling him about, appearing dominant. Brook is landing the better looking punches in these rounds and i think he troubled Brook with a right hand in the sixth, but pressure, pressure, pressure. I have Brook in bad trouble on the cards, down 4-2 on the cards after winning a close sixth. If Brook wins this fight on my card, the second half of the sixth round is the key. After dropping the seventh though, I have Brook in need of a clean sweep to win the fight. At the very end of the round, though, Porter gets hit with a savage uppercut and is hurt - let's see how he comes out in the eighth.

    He looks hurt. Legitimately unhappy. He's counter-rushing a bit when Brook moves on him, but he suddenly looks a bit weak. Porter's cut (also a clash of heads) looks a little worse than Brook's. Fair play to him though, he's just making this ninth round ugly as can be. Finally, Brook lands something clean and Porter goes crazy. This is a great round. I think Brook has shaded it with the cleaner punching. It's arguable. Brook is so determined to outbox Porter; why? He needs to out-fight him, he can out-hit him, why not? Punch with him, as the harder, technically superior puncher. Porter is knackered now. But Brook is doing far too much holding when he should be punching. Fight is a mess.

    All square after ten, Brook linked the eighth through ninth. He's now the favourite I'd say. He leads on my card for the first time after eleven - but an exhausted Porter probably, barely, does enough to outwork Brook in the final round, driving himself into the pocket and throwing, not always landing, but probably edging it on the aggression.

    Second draw for the day!

    114-114.

    Brook:3,6,8,9,10,11.
    Porter:1,2,4,5,7,12.

    Max Deluca scored it 9-3 for Brook. Needs spayed.
     
  14. Mike Cannon

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    Watched Napoles/Backus 1@2 I was a young man in the early 70s ans had not seen Napoles (nor Olivares, Monzon, Briscoe, etc. )
    when I picked up my Boxing News ( on Thursdays in them days ) couldn't believe my eyes Napoles BEATEN !!!!
     
  15. scartissue

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    Mike, how did you score Napoles - Backus II before the stoppage?
     
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