In most sports the current guys are better than previous eras, why would boxing be any different?

No man he is right. You never stepped into the ring, he did i guess ,just like me, and therefor we know our ****.

 

this

 

Best post of the thread.

We have a lazy culture.

Instead of doing research that takes time, it’s easier just to dismiss things.

This guy is not an intelligent person who’s a ‘thinker’ looking to gain more knowledge.

He’s an ignoramus.

George is one of my favourite posters on this forum.

He has a thirst for knowledge.

 

I despair.

Honestly.

Your ignorance is STAGGERING.

How does comparing data (sprinting times) compare to 2 guys fighting each other?

If you compare sprinting times to the times of today, you will see that today’s times are quicker. Therefore the athletes are better. But think about the following 2 points:

1. As Luis Fernando has pointed out, in a sport that is decided in milliseconds, the starting blocks, the track surface and the shoes they run in, can all LITERALLY affect the times.

If in Beijing in 2008, Usain Bolt had came out of older blocks on an asphalt track, whilst wearing a pair of Chuck Taylor’s, he’d have gotten nowhere near his actual world record time.

You haven’t considered the circumstances.


2. You have just AGREED with me that Mike Tyson would have beaten Deontay Wilder.

So if Mike Tyson from his 1988 prime, could have beaten Deontay Wilder who’s a top 3 HW today, based upon how they’d have matched up stylistically, then that means that:

ANY FIGHTER OF ANY ERA COULD BEAT ANYONE ON A GIVEN NIGHT, BASED ON HOW THEY HAVE MATCHED UP STYLISTICALLY.


Nobody has said that an old car is faster than a new car.

Again, that is completely different altogether.

We know that an old car which is proven to be slower with less performance, wouldn’t be as fast as a new car.

It’s a scientific measurement of performance.

Two men fighting, will always be two men fighting, with the outcome dependent on how their styles match up.


Regarding Maradona, he wasn’t better than Lionel Messi, because Lionel Messi is a better athlete who has had more longevity and shown more consistency. But in terms of out and out ability, no, Messi isn’t better. He isn’t more skilled.

 

Less people want to box today, and so you get less kids seeing whether they have the goods or not. This helps explain that quip about how the real heavyweight champion is somewhere playing NFL. Champions of the past were the product of a much more concentrated process. More gyms. More footfall. One champion.

There are also a lot more charlatans today (PT's/Sport Science types), who don't really improve the fighter.

There's always quality though. Lomachenko, Craword, Inoue - all brilliant.

 

Oh dear.

Was his text too long for your brain?

Has it given you a headache?


So:

You’re just going to randomly pick the odd HW for your evidence.

Fury was faster than Lennox etc.

Right.


Haye was faster than Ali?

What at?

His hand speed wasn’t quicker.

His feet weren’t.

His reflexes weren’t.

So, quicker at what?

Eating a cheese sandwich?


Mike Tyson was quicker than Haye.

Floyd Patterson (you won’t have heard of him) was quicker than Haye.


Show us the evidence where the HW’s today are quicker than previous decades, as a whole?

I’ll wait.

 

After what you’ve written over the past month, I don’t believe a word of it.

Let me tell you why:

Nobody who has ever boxed at ANY level, would hold the opinions that you do.

Anybody who has boxed even just as an amateur, would know that ANYBODY THROUGHOUT HISTORY could be beaten by anyone on a given night.

It doesn’t matter what era you fought in.

It’s always the styles that determine the outcome of a fight.

It doesn’t matter if you’re from the 50’s or the 90’s.

If it’s two guys in a ring, fighting under the same rules, anything can happen.

 

Oh he’s right is he?

Really?

Fury would have wrecked Ali?

Because good old Henry floored him?

If only Ali could have been as good as Steve Cunningham and Otto Wallin.

 

This is where you tie yourself in knots but are too stupid to realise it.

You have just agreed with his breakdown, that Fury would have beaten Ali based on their STYLES.

Okay.

Then why couldn’t today’s fighters have been beaten by lots of previous era fighters, based on styles?

 

no i just have to respond from my iphone and scrolling up and down all the time to answer at all questions isnt easy. So i asked him to keep it short i try that too.

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8 minutes and 5 seconds.
Come on bro dont tell me there is footage of ali having that fast head movement, reflexes and hand speed.

 

Right.

Let’s you just strip this down to the basics so you can understand it.

Are today’s JMW’s, MW’s and SMW’s better than what they were 20- 30 years ago from the 90’s-00’s?

Just a quick yes or no.

 

Dude i had a similar discussion with some here and posted a video of my first amateur fight at age 16 too proof my point.
And no a 5 7 130 lbs man will always lose against a 6‘8 250 lbs man if they booth can box.

 

Man no you just dont get what he is saying. Dude just quit watching yt go into a boxing ring and sparr, dont bother fighting if your not over 45 and then you will understand.

 

https://youtu.be/nxZ-J7xit5Y

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yeah sure. But to be fair the fab 4 were ridiculously good. I am really sad that I didnt live at that time cause it was such a great time to watch boxing.