the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hiya mate, have you seen this? It's a wicked war with like 10 KDs

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    I have mate. Crazy fight . A shame thats its silent.

    I really like Nardico from what ive seen.

    Btw i know you love the Ortega vs Paret fight and speaking of Paret i dont know if you have seen his two fights with Luis Federico Thompson if you havent Check them out when you can i think you will like them.
     
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    I'll check them out, I'm a big fan of most from that era, the book on Griffith I've got really highlights some of their struggles. And who doesn't love Ortega?

    I'll watch those 2, Paret's always good fun.

    I came across Nardico doing a research on that era of LHWs and looking at some of the major punches at the time. Danny was a colossal hitter from what it seems, a TKO over a washed up LaMotta and dropping Maxim show genuine power.
     
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  4. George Crowcroft

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    After reading your post, which was excellent btw, I knew I had to see this one. Banke was amazing vs Zaragoza and in my experience South Koreans are always great fun, so I hoped for a great fight here. Here's how I had it.

    Round 1: Lee 10-9, swing.
    Round 2: Banke 10-9, close.
    Round 3: Banke 10-9, swing.
    Round 4: Lee 10-9, close.
    Round 5: Banke 10-9, close.
    Round 6: Lee 10-9, swing. (57-57)
    Round 7: Banke 10-9, swing.
    Round 8: Even 9-9, clear.
    Round 9: Lee 10-9, clear.
    Round 10: Lee 10-9, clear.
    Round 11: Banke 10-8, clear.
    Round 12: Banke TKO

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    ****ing Christ! This is truly is a great, that KD in the 11th was punch perfect. Great couple of shots Banke put together there.

    Lee was a machine, constant pressure rarely showing signs of pain and the telltale signs of a natural born swarmer. Lee was the one who was forcing the action, keeping Banke on the back-foot and having to fight a different kind of fight to the Zaragoza series, and his (Lee's) better condition let him dominate the stretch but the heart of Banke was too much. Conclusive stoppage, and even if it went 12 there was no way Lee was winning on the cards. Banke's Bob and Weave is soooo good to watch. His short counters and jab early on were very satisfying too.

    Thanks for this Chris, great fight. Onto Paret/Thompson next!
     
  5. Jel

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    Antonio Avelar v Wilfredo Vasquez

    Didn't score this one but it was a war from the start, zero feeling out process.

    Round 5 was a great one, with Vasquez getting dropped hard and then Avelar getting dropped not long after even harder.

    Vasquez was a trooper who definitely learnt from his losing experiences to became an excellent alphabet titlist but I doubt he had many tougher than this one in his career.

    Thanks @George Crowcroft for the recommendation, a good one as always!
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

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    Good, init! That 5th is probably a top 3 round ever imo. Right up there with Saad/López II round 8, or Hagler/Hearns round 1. Possibly greater than both.

    I love this fight ngl.
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

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    No scoring, I find I get distracted easier when I score things. Not to mention there's rounds missing. So for this one I'm just watching and adding my comments. Hank's banned now (shock! :D) but it's one he recommended.

    LFT had this standard upright style with good reflexes and speed, but he did make some basic mistakes. You don't lean back and move in straight lines, it just gets you clipped, which it did. Good fighter though, his style was much more take compared to The Kid's danger man routine. I always liked Paret's combos to the body, sooooo smooth. At one point he took it to the back-foot and boxed circles around LFT.

    A lot of this fight was whether or not Luis could counter efficiently, since Paret was leading and managing to constantly land on him.

    To be honest, this wasn't as good as Paret's Marquee fights, and that's why it isn't as known. Still good though.

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  8. McGrain

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    Shawn Porter SD12 Yordenis Ugas

    Scoring Shawn Porter is hard. But I like doing it. Big boy Ugas. Porter choosing to ox again, fighting in surges. Ugas mixing waiting with stalking and nicks the first round. Porter maybe edges the second with a counter-right hand over the top after sucking in a hard bodyshot. Very little to separate them here, but I thought Porter landed the harder punches. Porter is fighting like he did against Garcia, waiting and surging. They are boxing in bizarro world, Ugas stalking, landing to the body, Porter jabbing going away. Ugas steps into a meaningful lead after four winning the round with bodyshots int he final seconds as Porter, squat and leaning down and away, looked rather leaden-footed. Ugas look technically sure, unruffled, unhurried. He scores a good counter right with a minute left in the fifth. Porter heading into trouble on the cards again.

    Porter throws that bathwater out in the sixth and goes Tonto. Ugas was baiting him verbally at the end of the fifth and maybe should have kept his mouth shout. Early, he's still giving himself room but flurrying more and probably wins the last 30 seconds of the round for the first time. Still close though, Ugas is into this. And he poaches the seventh with a gorgeous counter-right hand...very very close proud, these are hard again.

    Porter taking a lot of useless steps here, burning a lot of energy for no advantage. He lands a lot of jabs in round nine though, probably takes this round on the jab, freaky ****. Porter is such an odd fighter. His dad seems obsessed with "technical boxing" but he's got a toothless pitbull on his hands. So odd. Still, good fight thanks to the weirdness. In opposite bizarro world. 5-4 Ugas after nine, anything could happen no. Porter could collapse or he could dominate the run in totally, wouldn't like to call it. Poter takes a close tenth, but that's the third desperately close round I've given him so if anyone needs to close it's him. He has outlanded Ugas overall though. And he takes the eleventh after getting slightly out-hit before a hard jab puts Ugas back on his heels to probably steal the round. I mean it's desperately close, arguable, hard.

    Porter needs the twelfth to win. Ugas needs the round to draw for me. Interestingly enough - Ugas puts a right hand in and Porter goes down and it is ruled a slip - now there wasn't a lot on the punch, but there was no slip. That was a knockdown for me. A good right hand follows up a minute later. But Porter looked concerned. He was making sure his legs were under him after the "slip". 50.50 rule by the ref, at best.

    Still, I respect the call and therefore have this a 114-114 draw. Lots of draws this week.

    Porter:2,6,8,9,10,11.
    Ugas:1,3,4,5,7,12.

    6-6
     
  9. Jel

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    Ruben Olivares v Chuco Castillo 1

    First fight in their classic trilogy (if anyone knows where to find their 3rd fight online, let me know). For the first 7 rounds, this was a close fight with Castillo showing a cultured jab and some excellent countering on the back foot as well as some uncanny head movement. The 8th was a great round, with both fighters exchanging tremendous punishment, mostly to the body. After that, Olivares took over and Castillo became less effective.

    A clear win for El Puas.

    1 10-10 (cagey opener)
    2 10-9
    3 8-10 (Olivares dropped)
    4 10-9
    5 9-10 (close)
    6 10-9 (close)
    7 9-10
    8 10-9 (superb round, nasty body shots from Olivares)
    9 10-10
    10 10-9 (close)
    11 10-9
    12 10-9
    13 10-9
    14 10-9 (close)
    15 10-9

    Olivares 146-140 Castillo

    10-3 in rounds with 2 even
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Keith Thurman UD12 Shawn Porter

    Gorgeous lead efts from Thurman, hitting three different left hands early; pushing, trailing jab from Porter in rushes as a response and you probably have your fight defined right there. Thurman is fast and organised. Porter is quick with his pressure and mostly ugly. This could be fascinating. I like Thurman's work better in the first. Porter has a better second though; he actually has Thurman looking disturbed with the pressure and lets him work him over a bit on the ropes. This is going to be good. Third round is great combat. Thurman scores a good punch at the end of that round (which Porter wins) and it leaks into the fourth; now we have Thurman looking for very hard two-piees while Porter surges with pressure. Thurman finds enough punches to win the fourth - my suspicion is that Thurman will win this fight only if he can force Porter to work hard enough that he drops off late. But we shall see! Good fight, good fight. 2-2 after four. Firefight continues into the fifth with Porter shading a close round with the aggression.

    Thurman, quicker and technically better, is capable of outfighting Porter in the pocket for stretches, or at least, coming out of and going into the pocket, as in some of round seven. It means that Porter can't cast him adrift. Meantime, there's no question as to who is using more energy here, though Thurman's plan isn't exactly conservative. In the eighth, he does a lot of wide circling, hard on the lungs that.

    Thurman is doing well in the ninth, but is cut to the right eye by a slashing left from Porter (i think). This seems to put him off - when Porter gets him cornered on the ropes and the referee orders them to "fight out", Porter rips that round right from him just as Porter looked to be setting off with it. Head clash caused the cut, not a punch. This is a huge round - Thurman is in trouble on my card now.

    He rallies though, boy does he and although he's not beating him up, he is beating him in these final rounds. It's a combination of his knowing he needs them, Porter gassing a bit, which has allowed Thurman to dial in with hard two-piece combos.

    The result: another drawn card. I am targeting close, controversial fights for the most part, but that's like three draws in a week.

    Thurman:1,4,7,10,11,12.
    Porter:2,3,5,6,8,9.

    114-114
     
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    Keith Thurman SD12 Danny Garcia

    Fast, zinging exchanges early, i'm into it, this is going to be a clean-hitting boxing contest, and i'm up for one of them for sure. Thurman, again, is faster, and after swallowing a Garcia left hook he lands a numerous string of hard punches,driving Garcia back and away and hitting him hard. Garcia doesn't go away though and lands another left hook - these two are looking to hurt each other but both have chins equal to one-another's power. Garcia swallowed an absolute bomb there.

    Garcia keep his circle very tight, looking for that gorgeous pivot, Thurman does miss one and get clocked, but he flosses right after with a straight right to the gut and vanished before Garcia could even think about it. Close, excellent round - Garcia stalks until he lands a good right hand, then Thurman gets on the front foot to try to even matters up; the last seconds of the round, Thurman smuggles the round away - a round of hard, single shots. Left-right combo really hurts Garcia at the beginning of this round. Garcia is good, but he doesn't have the jab to keep Thurman under control and he can't out-pot-shot him with the speed dearth. I'm starting to wonder where the close cards are coming from? There must be a twist in the tail.

    All change in the fourth. Thurman is trying to get his jab going and Garcia does not respect the punch. Garcia has good success throwing the left to the body and countering to the body. So this is a big fifth. They've both improved defensively, that's clear. And that might make the second half of the fight less thrilling. Close round - very close - I think I'll give it to the Thurman right form the final thirty seconds, sort of behind the ear though...nah, changed my mind, Garcia on the bodywork. He also outlands Thurman in the sixth to even things up on the scorecard, so there you go, I was worrying about how this fight might have ended up close and it did. In the seventh though, Thurman cuts off the ring adequately and edges things. So Garcia has yet to lead - he clearly wins the eighth, some good right hands, some good bodypunching, he is fighting at a very slow pace though, Garcia able to set himself for countering. He's gambling but he's winning.

    It's like Garcia's been hypnotised here. He knows he needs more punches, surely, but he's not throwing them. Thurman is just out-touching him. It is no longer difficult to score, or that good a fight. I have Garcia in need of a 10-8 now. We do get to see the right version of Garcia at least, in the tenth, holding ring centre, pivoting very small moves, still arguably waiting a bit too much but making his way in often enough to take the round. Two more like that and it'll be another ****ing draw for me.

    That's what happens. FML. I gave Garcia that ultra-close fifth though, so i'm happy the right man got the nod, he outlanded Garcia by compubox.

    Thurman:1,2,3,7,8,9.
    Garcia:4,5,6,10,11,12.

    114-114.
     
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  12. George Crowcroft

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    From what I've read it only exists in poor quality and there's only a few minutes of it iirc.
     
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  13. scartissue

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    Checked this out today, thanks to you and Chris. Here is how I had it.

    Round 1: 10-9 Lee
    Round 2: 10-10 Even
    Round 3: 10-9 Banke
    Round 4: 10-9 Lee
    Round 5: 10-9 Banke
    Round 6: 10-9 Banke
    Round 7: 10-9 Banke
    Round 8: 9-9 Even (Lee's round but careless headwork costs him a point.
    Round 9: 10-9 Lee
    Round 10: 10-9 Lee
    Round 11: 10-8 Banke (scores a knockdown)
    Round 12: Banke stops Lee

    Total (through 11 completed rounds): 105-103 Banke

    First of all, great fight. Jarring punches from beginning to end. Lee really should have been docked another point in the 9th round when he came in like a billygoat. He had lost the snap on his punches from the earlier rounds by this time and found crowding Banke successful, which nullified Banke's punches. But again, a great fight.
     
  14. Jel

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    Chuco Castillo v Ruben Olivares 2

    I scored this up to round 13 where the footage was cut short I think. Frankly, the quality (or lack thereof) of the footage and the editing made this tricky to follow throughout as well as to score. What came across though was the gruelling nature of this battle. Fought primarily at close quarters, neither fighter took a backwards step.

    While it was tough to score because each round was competitive, I had Olivares reasonably comfortably ahead until towards the end when I felt Castillo edged some rounds. It was a war of attrition and had it not been stopped, I suspect Olivares would have been able to edge a decision on the official cards as well.

    1 10-9 (another cagey opener)
    2 9-10 (close again, neither fighter taking any significant risks)
    3 9-10 (a fight broke out)
    4 10-10
    5 9-10 (great action)
    6 9-10 (close)
    7 10-9
    8 9-10
    9 10-10 (great exchanges)
    10 9-10
    11 10-9 (close)
    12 10-9 (close, gruelling action)
    (Up to round 13, I have it 6 rounds to 4 to Olivares with 2 even)
    13 round cut short (Olivares was winning it)
    14 TKO - Olivares stopped on cuts.
     
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    Julio Cesar Chavez v Mario Martinez

    This could have been a shutout but I gave Martinez the opener and truth be told, he didn't fight badly, he just couldn't land with much accuracy.

    Chavez spent most of the fight with his back to the ropes but managed to pick off Azabache from there with increasing accuracy as the bout wore on. Credit to Martinez - he never stopped throwing punches even when he was taking a beating in the 8th. Would love to see the punch stats for percentage landed - I'd be surprised if Martinez got to 20%.

    1 9-10 (good opener and a close round. Martinez has Chavez on the ropes but Chavez fights back well)
    2 10-9 (stellar action; close round with Chavez again against the ropes but getting through with some good shots while Martinez missing a little more towards the end of the round.
    3 10-9
    4 10-9
    5 10-9
    6 10-9
    7 10-9
    8 10-9
    (79-73)
    Chavez TKO Martinez