Mike 'The Bodysnatcher' Mccallum vs Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez

For the sake of the debate, let us assume that it would have had fair judging.

 

I think Mike wins a UD over Canelo.

 

Condense all of this down into something smaller.

 

Ha!

I don’t think so.

Just read it and take it in.

I’m sure you can pick out some main points of what you may not agree with for us to discuss.

 

No like I literally can't respond to it because it's so long. Even after I deleted half of it.

 

McCallum beat Curry in the 5th round in a close fight that many had Curry winning, Canelo is harder to hit than Curry was in that fight, his guard is tighter.

 

Yeah. What I’m saying is, don’t press the reply button which opens my text.

Just go to the bottom of the page and just type in a few points if you have any.

On this forum, you don’t have to reply to people if you don’t want to.

You can just add your comments in the little black rectangle at the very bottom of any page of any thread.

You’ll see it say: Write your reply

It won’t send me a notification, but I’ll still see it.

Alternatively, you could just reply to this current post here, and just tell me some points that you may not agree with.

I’ll leave it up to you.

 

I think that Mike has the better wins/resume, despite some of them not having the name value of Canelo’s opponents.

Kalule
Curry
Jackson
Watson
Graham
Kalambay
Collins
Toney (draw)

 

I broke down your long response to the thread point by point. It wouldn't make any sense just putting in a regular comment because there would be no context. It's nearly all specific responses to your specific points.

 

You hold some of these fighters in way too high regard. Kalule was an okay fighter in a solid era. He lost by knockout to the best he faced and narrowly beat Kalambay. Leonard stopped him, 10 fight Davey Moore stopped him (who would go on to get stopped by Duran), McCallum stopped him, and Herol Graham stopped him. There's a reason nobody talks about him other than in reference to who other fighters beat.

Kalambay was 35 and solidly outboxed and out fought McCallum when he was prime.

Again, Steve Collins was 16 fight green fighter. About as legit as Joe Choynski's win over Jack Johnson.

 

Mc Callum's record is better than Canelo's. Also, I thought Canelo lost twice against GGG

 

Kalule was a good fighter. Yes, he lost to those guys. He also beat Lindell Holmes and Kalambay.

So what if Collins was green? You can see in the fight how good he was. He’d beaten Tony Thornton and he went on to fight Reggie Johnson and Kalambay shortly afterwards. You could see that he was a world class fighter.

Kalambay had a close fight with McCallum in Italy, and then McCallum beat him in the return.

You obviously aren’t familiar with Kalambay’s career. Because nobody would class Kalambay as just a decent MW.

Canelo’s resume doesn’t compare to Mike’s. He just fought guys with more name value like Cotto, Khan and Mosley.

 

You keep claiming I don't watch these fights yet you say he won against Kalambay when imo he clearly lost every round from 5-11.

A win over Lindell Holmes in an 8 round fight means very little. There's a reason nobody talks about Lindell Holmes.

I've never ever had to explain to someone why being inexperienced is a major disadvantage when going against a 9 year ring vet world champion. If you can't see why that is such a mismatch then you really need to watch more boxing instead of just looking at names on a resume.

You can't say the first fight was a close fight then when mentioning the second fight say "McCallum beat him in the return" when it was literally a split decision. Your idea of a close fight is incredibly strange.

Actually plenty of people do. He had major issues with pressure fighters and is never mentioned on most top 20 middleweights of all time lists. Hell I struggle to find him on any top 25 lists even. Like I said, decent middleweight but he wouldn't hang with the best fighters ever in the division. Just look at how Nunn dispatched him. Hagler, Greb, Robinson, Lamotta, Jones Jr, both Gibbons, and many more would beat him to a pulp.

Easy to say that when his career isn't over. He still has a few more years left before he retires. He has the potential to fight Charlo, GGG, Eubank Jr, Andrade, and Munguia which would all boost his resume above McCallums.

 

My argument is about what McCallum's resume is lacking rather than Canelo's being above his. Canelo has had like 4 or 5 fights at middleweight, of course McCallum's is better.

 

No chance could Canelo beat McCallum in a boxing match but no chance could McCallum win on the Golden Boy cards.